As title said, anyone happen to have a resource that demonstrates what sort of casting you get as you level up, and what they mean by discovering cantrips and repetoir?
Been pondering testing a Rogue with mc Bard but need a nudge figuring out the spell progression.
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All of the spellcasting multi-class archetypes have the same basic structure for granting spells.
•The Dedication Feat (Level 2) grants you 2 cantrips
•The Basic Spellcasting Feat (Level 4) grants you a first level slot, then a second level slot at 6th, and a third level slot at 8th.
•The Breadth Feat (Level 8) doubles your existing slots except for your two highest level
•The Expert Spellcasting Feat (Level 12) grants you a fourth level slot, then a fifth level slot at 14th, and a sixth level slot at 16th.
•The Master Spellcasting Feat (Level 18) grants you a seventh level slot, then an eighth level slot at 20th.
Assuming you took all five feats as early as possible, your progression would look like this.
(Level Cantrips, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th)
01
02 2
03 2
04 2, 1
05 2, 1
06 2, 1, 1
07 2, 1, 1
08 2, 2, 1, 1
09 2, 2, 1, 1
10 2, 2, 1, 1
11 2, 2, 1, 1
12 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
13 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
14 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
15 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
16 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
17 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
18 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
19 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
20 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1
You can also get two more cantrips by taking a Class Feat starting at level 4. (You would probably be better taking that at level 6 so you could take Basic Spellcasting at 4th.)
All of the spellcasting multi-class archetypes have the same basic structure for granting spells.
•The Dedication Feat (Level 2) grants you 2 cantrips
•The Basic Spellcasting Feat (Level 4) grants you a first level slot, then a second level slot at 6th, and a third level slot at 8th.
•The Breadth Feat (Level 8) doubles your existing slots except for your two highest level
•The Expert Spellcasting Feat (Level 12) grants you a fourth level slot, then a fifth level slot at 14th, and a sixth level slot at 16th.
•The Master Spellcasting Feat (Level 18) grants you a seventh level slot, then an eighth level slot at 20th.Assuming you took all five feats as early as possible, your progression would look like this.
(Level Cantrips, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th)
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You can also get two more cantrips by taking a Class Feat starting at level 4. (You would probably be better taking that at level 6 so you could take Basic Spellcasting at 4th.)
This makes a bit more sense to me now. If I'm going Rogue baseline, that means I'd have to spend about every rogue feat to keep up with spell slots if I understood it correctly?
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It's only 5 feats to get the progression that I showed. Even taking all 5 of them you'd still have 6 Rogue feats left.
It's only 5 feats to get the progression that I showed. Even taking all 5 of them you'd still have 6 Rogue feats left.
I think I just realized my dumbest moment this year.
The spell slot feats are one time that scale with level?Because I somehow thought you need to take it for each level.
You've got it. You only need to take each once.
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You've got it. You only need to take each once.
You're a hero :<
While I have your attention, the wording on the cantrips in dedication feats, does it mean we can find more than the original two we start with, since it mentions discovering them?
I'm not entirely clear how Bards learn spells. I've been working on Wizard so far.
I know that you can get two more Cantrip 'slots' by taking the multiclass bard feat Basic Muse's Whispers to get the Cantrip Expansion Bard Feat. Also as a Rogue you could take the Minor Magic feat to get an additional two.
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Yeah, it's hard to say any single picture of what it looks like "as you level up", because it's all optional, and you don't have to take any of the Feats as soon as you qualify: AFAIK Breadth only gives one more 1st level slot if you take it immediately at Level 8.
Gisher was basically sharing general caster multiclassing knowledge, as he said, but in Bard's case they also have Composition Cantrips which often depend on the Bardic Muse you specify when taking the Bard MC Dedication, and you take these via a Bard Feat.
But the spell slots and cantrips are not full picture of Bard casting, Focus spells also play major role, as they do for all Caster classes. Many Bard Focus spells are tied to specific Muses, but some are "universal". They will generally have a pre-req of "have a Focus pool", which the Bard MC Feat "Counterperformance" (Level 6) will give you, but if you already have a Focus pool from other Class, that is all you need (Focus shared regardless of source Class).
Also, "Repertoire" = Spells Known in 3.x/1E jargon.