Fun with Protoindoeuropean

I'm looking at the various words for Tribe.
Suku (indonesian)
Shuzoku (japanese)

They both share a common Suffix: -ku (which, if it is a protoindoeuropean root, means hollow place or egg shaped). If Su is also protoindoeuropean then Suku means (for now) 'Pig-wallow'.

Indonesian Tribe is 'pig wallow' and Japanese Tribe comes from the same Wallow (ku) but has changed its address prefix- (Su->shuzo). Shuzo doesn't mean pig so perhaps we are not dealing with pig wallow: perhaps the suffix is -keu (meaning cave). So we have the same cave and then the language divides them into two (or more) groups. If the first word referred to a social group/to gather/to meet + Cave then we are looking at a meeting cave. That sounds OK. Tribe has a cave where it meets/gathers.
SO in Japanese 'Gather' has a word similar to tribe (suiso). If the sord was Suiso-keu then we are looking at a prefix with aspects of the Indonesian term.
Lets look at Seu (as opposed to Su). Seu is a reflexive pronoun with forms referring to the social group as an entity.

Seu-i-so-keu (i- is a pronominal stem; so- is a nominative of this, or that).

Indonesian: Seu-keu (lets call this 'people's cave').
Japanese: Sue-i-so-keu ('this-people's cave').

So the difference is a declaration of ownership. Our cave. So at some point one group kicks the the other group out. The cave gets too crowded and there is a dispute as to who is in the cave and who is out.

So Bugger off! This is our Cave.

It's odd, to me, how you can ignore over 3,000 years of language development.

Plus, your certainty about proto-indo-european stands at odds with the constant uncertainty evinced by any literature I have read and experts I have spoken to.

Manufactured meant 'made-by-hand' 400 years ago...

Let me postulate an equally baseless supposition about 'Suku'.

• Perhaps the term originally meant 'settlement', it might have even been a reductive 'settlement-settlment' (like 'Hampton').
  
• The term then got attached to a certain type of settlement.
  
• Then people developed a new settlement type and the former was fit only for pigs, the term came to mean big wallow.
  
• Then more settlement types developed and the original term was returned to as a universal term for any type of settlement.

It fits other types of organic language development but is completely ungrounded in evidence or research.

All I have done is collected a few disjointed bits of information and imposed a narrative which I find satisfying on those pieces of information.

It's odd, to me, how you can ignore over 3,000 years of language development.

Plus, your certainty about proto-indo-european stands at odds with the constant uncertainty evinced by any literature I have read and experts I have spoken to.

Manufactured meant 'made-by-hand' 400 years ago...

Protoindoeuropean: Man(ufactured) Man means 'Hand'.

Let me postulate an equally baseless supposition about 'Suku'.

• Perhaps the term originally meant 'settlement', it might have even been a reductive 'settlement-settlment' (like 'Hampton').
  
• The term then got attached to a certain type of settlement.
  
• Then people developed a new settlement type and the former was fit only for pigs, the term came to mean big wallow.
  
• Then more settlement types developed and the original term was returned to as a universal term for any type of settlement.

It fits other types of organic language development but is completely ungrounded in evidence or research.

All I have done is collected a few disjointed bits of information and imposed a narrative which I find satisfying on those pieces of information.

Considering they spoke the same language originally - they came from the same cave and change is the formation of different people groups. That there is no difference in the Suffix(cave) and change in the way it is referred to in Prefix tells us that the Tribe was one and then divided - The variation in how the cave is referred to means the division of the tribe comes later (and the language of the dispute over ownership of 'this-people's' cave).

Considering they spoke the same language originally

So what makes you think that language was Protoindoeuropean? (Besides the part where you make two or three pieces out of a ten thousand piece puzzle fit together.)

yellowdingo wrote:

Considering they spoke the same language originally

So what makes you think that language was Protoindoeuropean?

Everyone spoke Protoindoeuropean roots. Ku is protoindoeuropean root for Hollow (and keu for cave). If Keu is the original word(cave) and was shared by both then they both share the same change in language development (keu->ku) and then there is division in language changing the prefix.

So it begins in Protoindoeuropean and there is common change.

Everyone spoke Protoindoeuropean roots.

If everyone spoke Proto-Indo-European, it wouldn't be called Proto-Indo-European, it would be called Proto-Human. Links between Proto-Indo-European and other language families are very much in debate.

yellowdingo wrote:

Everyone spoke Protoindoeuropean roots.

If everyone spoke Proto-Indo-European, it wouldn't be called Proto-Indo-European, it would be called Proto-Human. Links between Proto-Indo-European and other language families are very much in debate.

And yet every peoples has Protoindoeuropean roots...Aboriginal Australians, American Indians, Africans. So it really is the Primary Language (even if it is currently called language spoken by 'guys from middle Eurasia'). Despite the Religious nutters and Bigots who desperately want their tribe to have been created by God and thus not having any language spoken by those who ain't god's chosen few.

I love the protoindoeuropean roots for marijuana: Kanna-bis. Kanna meaning 'to rub/to breath' (implying the method it was used - aka not smoked) and Bis meaning 'a reed' which refers more to the stalk of the plant rather than leaves.

Care to rub the plant on you and between your hands?