But Tiny was just a child...
...But so was Kayleigh! ...Right?
...Right!
"You may be just a child, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"- Malgar, probably
I'm fine with him triggering combat, but I can't help but wonder where his +13 Bluff bonus at Level 1 comes from! :O Is it feats?
Oh, to be clear I don't care myself, but Paquen is a different story. She's the cautious type, and tends to think ahead to consider things like consequences of words and actions. Of course she's also a tiefling, which means she liable to catch blowback for doing nothing wrong at all while being in the wrong place. That sort of thing makes a person careful.
It probably suits Barzillai well politically as that means he could legit claim the crowd tried to kill him.
This is exactly the kind of thing Paquen would say. :)
So the plan to get a battering ram and drag 'Brassiere'
Out by the scruff of the neck is a bad one?
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So the plan to get a battering ram and drag 'Brassiere'
Out by the scruff of the neck is a bad one?
Only if you dont want to continue the rest of the AP as alive.
But Tiny was just a child...
...But so was Kayleigh! ...Right?
...Right!
"You may be just a child, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"- Malgar, probably
I'm fine with him triggering combat, but I can't help but wonder where his +13 Bluff bonus at Level 1 comes from! :O Is it feats?
To be fair, he's willing to sacrifice himself as well :) And Tiny did make him legitimately hestiate, which is huge for an insane dwarf hellbent on revenge!
His normal bluff is +10. 3 wisdom, 1 skill rank, class skill, infiltrator inquisitor wisdom bonus +3*. His domain/inquisition changes all his social skills to key off wisdom instead of charisma. The infiltrator bonus states it adds wisdom to bluff and diplomacy 'in addition to the normal modifyers'. Normally, double-dipping ability modifyers to something is not allowed, but given the very specific wording of these two class features I assume the intent is that it works. I don't particularly mind to gve up the infiltrator archetype though as the cost is a half-level scaling buff to intimidate and sense motive, which is roughly on-par with it.
To get bluff to +13, 2 points come from his protest reason and 1 point from studied target, the slayer main class feature which replaces judgment through his sanctified slayer archetype.
But Tiny was just a child...
...But so was Kayleigh! ...Right?
...Right!
"You may be just a child, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"- Malgar, probably
I'm fine with him triggering combat, but I can't help but wonder where his +13 Bluff bonus at Level 1 comes from! :O Is it feats?
To be fair, he's willing to sacrifice himself as well :) And Tiny did make him legitimately hestiate, which is huge for an insane dwarf hellbent on revenge!
His normal bluff is +10. 3 wisdom, 1 skill rank, class skill, infiltrator inquisitor wisdom bonus +3*. His domain/inquisition changes all his social skills to key off wisdom instead of charisma. The infiltrator bonus states it adds wisdom to bluff and diplomacy 'in addition to the normal modifyers'. Normally, double-dipping ability modifyers to something is not allowed, but given the very specific wording of these two class features I assume the intent is that it works. I don't particularly mind to gve up the infiltrator archetype though as the cost is a half-level scaling buff to intimidate and sense motive, which is roughly on-par with it.
To get bluff to +13, 2 points come from his protest reason and 1 point from studied target, the slayer main class feature which replaces judgment through his sanctified slayer archetype.
Ooh, that makes more sense. So Malgar has actually two archetypes, Infiltrator and Sanctified Slayer? You can pick 3 at level 1?
And doesn't "in addition to" mean it doesn't replace your Charisma modifier but is added to it?Sorry, it's probably me not understanding how it works ^^" But I always like to learn more about the game!
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But Tiny was just a child...
...But so was Kayleigh! ...Right?
...Right!
"You may be just a child, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"- Malgar, probably
I'm fine with him triggering combat, but I can't help but wonder where his +13 Bluff bonus at Level 1 comes from! :O Is it feats?
To be fair, he's willing to sacrifice himself as well :) And Tiny did make him legitimately hestiate, which is huge for an insane dwarf hellbent on revenge!
His normal bluff is +10. 3 wisdom, 1 skill rank, class skill, infiltrator inquisitor wisdom bonus +3*. His domain/inquisition changes all his social skills to key off wisdom instead of charisma. The infiltrator bonus states it adds wisdom to bluff and diplomacy 'in addition to the normal modifyers'. Normally, double-dipping ability modifyers to something is not allowed, but given the very specific wording of these two class features I assume the intent is that it works. I don't particularly mind to gve up the infiltrator archetype though as the cost is a half-level scaling buff to intimidate and sense motive, which is roughly on-par with it.
To get bluff to +13, 2 points come from his protest reason and 1 point from studied target, the slayer main class feature which replaces judgment through his sanctified slayer archetype.
Ooh, that makes more sense. So Malgar has actually two archetypes, Infiltrator and Sanctified Slayer? You can pick 3 at level 1?
And doesn't "in addition to" mean it doesn't replace your Charisma modifier but is added to it?Sorry, it's probably me not understanding how it works ^^" But I always like to learn more about the game!
Sure, np :) I'd be happy to explain a bit more thoroughly.
AFAIK, You can pick any number of archetypes technically, so long as they don't alter the same base class features. Infiltrator and sanctified slayer can thus both be selected.
His inquisitor 'domain', the conversion inquisition (inquisitions are alternate options to take instead of cleric domains), changes the ability score for social skills from charisma to wisdom. In Malgar's case that means his bonus is changed from -2 to +3 since Charisma no longer applies to it entirely. However, you are right in that there are other class feutures from other classes that instead just add an extra ability modifyer to something. If that had been the case, his modifyer for social skills would be +1 instead as they'd both apply.
His second archetype, infiltrator, adds wisdom to diplomacy and bluff 'in addition to the normal modifyers'. Without specifically stating the 'in addition to the normal modifyers', you would be unable to add wisdom twice to diplomacy and bluff since the general rule is that you can't add the same ability modifyer twice to something. But specific rules beat general ones, so it seems both RAW and RAI.
Saying 'the normal ability modifyers' instead of just 'charisma' seems to imply whoever wrote infiltrator was aware that inquisitors had a way to change their solcials skills to something other than charisma and that it was designed to work alongside the conversion inquisition if desired.
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Only if you dont want to continue the rest of the AP as alive.So the plan to get a battering ram and drag 'Brassiere'
Out by the scruff of the neck is a bad one?
Most certainly a 'City on fire, everyone is dead, and I have lost my hat.' Situation.
But Tiny was just a child...
...But so was Kayleigh! ...Right?
...Right!
"You may be just a child, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"- Malgar, probably
I'm fine with him triggering combat, but I can't help but wonder where his +13 Bluff bonus at Level 1 comes from! :O Is it feats?
To be fair, he's willing to sacrifice himself as well :) And Tiny did make him legitimately hestiate, which is huge for an insane dwarf hellbent on revenge!
His normal bluff is +10. 3 wisdom, 1 skill rank, class skill, infiltrator inquisitor wisdom bonus +3*. His domain/inquisition changes all his social skills to key off wisdom instead of charisma. The infiltrator bonus states it adds wisdom to bluff and diplomacy 'in addition to the normal modifyers'. Normally, double-dipping ability modifyers to something is not allowed, but given the very specific wording of these two class features I assume the intent is that it works. I don't particularly mind to gve up the infiltrator archetype though as the cost is a half-level scaling buff to intimidate and sense motive, which is roughly on-par with it.
To get bluff to +13, 2 points come from his protest reason and 1 point from studied target, the slayer main class feature which replaces judgment through his sanctified slayer archetype.
Ooh, that makes more sense. So Malgar has actually two archetypes, Infiltrator and Sanctified Slayer? You can pick 3 at level 1?
And doesn't "in addition to" mean it doesn't replace your Charisma modifier but is added to it?Sorry, it's probably me not understanding how it works ^^" But I always like to learn more about the game!
Sure, np :) I'd be happy to explain a bit more thoroughly.
AFAIK, You can pick any number of archetypes technically, so long as they don't alter the same base class features. Infiltrator and sanctified slayer can thus both be selected.
His inquisitor 'domain',...
Okay, thanks! I get it now :)
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When the goblet shatters in his hand in the blink of an eye, she has a surprising moment of clarity.Well, she thinks dryly. This must be the part where we all die.
Then all hell breaks loose.
*chuckles* I'm in danger.
*chuckles* I'm in danger.
When the goblet shatters in his hand in the blink of an eye, she has a surprising moment of clarity.Well, she thinks dryly. This must be the part where we all die.
Then all hell breaks loose.
*shrug* Guess I'll die
Wow, the thread exploded after a very busy day for me. Just had a extra work of about an hour or two. I'll get post up right away.
Wow, the thread exploded after a very busy day for me. Just had a extra work of about an hour or two. I'll get post up right away.
Dammit i knew i was missing something i didnt even catch that you hadnt posted yet. Go ahead and do your actions and what not. It likely wont have a lot of impact on the macro scale given your relative low keyness but its still yours to do.
No problem that you moved it forward GM. I would have probably tried to aid Beorn in rallying the crowd to take up his chant.
Lost perhaps a little time to roleplay with Beorn, but we'll make that up soon.
*shrug* Guess I'll die*chuckles* I'm in danger.
When the goblet shatters in his hand in the blink of an eye, she has a surprising moment of clarity.Well, she thinks dryly. This must be the part where we all die.
Then all hell breaks loose.
You must have swallowed a fly
So tiny is the only one i noticed who was looking for their contact. The AP has some specifics to it but by looking at the players guide it gives you no real direction on who youre looking for. Can you tell me who youre contact was suppossd to be and why?
Wow, the thread exploded after a very busy day for me. Just had a extra work of about an hour or two. I'll get post up right away.
Wow, 16 discussion thread posts and 7 in game posts. Will catch up tonight and respond in thread when I can.
Sorry guys... We may have got a little carried away ^^"
So tiny is the only one i noticed who was looking for their contact. The AP has some specifics to it but by looking at the players guide it gives you no real direction on who youre looking for. Can you tell me who youre contact was suppossd to be and why?
I tried to RP it a little by playing on the fact that Litsy had specifically instructed her gang members not to assist to the protest, and was looking for them in the crowd to see if anyone had disobeyed, with her losing authority over them and all that. I'm guessing her "contact" would have especially been her main rival, Cory Blacksmith, given that the little brat would have been likely to ignore her orders. If Litsy had managed to find her, she would have tried to persuade her to leave, and get her to talk about anything she might have noticed at the protest.... But I rolled such poor Perception checks that it never came up, lol.
But this does make Litsy's "looking for a contact" seem a bit like a spur-of-the-moment thing, so I've thought about another option to spice it up- you tell me which scenario you like better.
Perhaps the whole rivalry between them could have evolved into some kind of competition. The main challenge would revolve around Litsy's capacities for keeping an eye on her gang members.
If she had managed to spot Cory in the thick of the crowd, then she would have won and her defeated rival would have been a little more cooperative, answering a few questions if Litsy wanted to gather intel, and even leaving the place, if it came to it. However, if she failed to find Cory while the latter was hiding, then it would be a further blow to her leadership, as her rival (and subordinate) can now gloat about having outsmarted her leader.
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I tried to RP it a little by playing on the fact that Litsy had specifically instructed her gang members not to assist to the protest, and was looking for them in the crowd to see if anyone had disobeyed, with her losing authority over them and all that. I'm guessing her "contact" would have especially been her main rival, Cory Blacksmith, given that the little brat would have been likely to ignore her orders. If Litsy had managed to find her, she would have tried to persuade her to leave, and get her to talk about anything she might have noticed at the protest.... But I rolled such poor Perception checks that it never came up, lol.
But this does make Litsy's "looking for a contact" seem a bit like a spur-of-the-moment thing, so I've thought about another option to spice it up- you tell me which scenario you like better.
Perhaps the whole rivalry between them could have evolved into some kind of competition. The main challenge would revolve around Litsy's capacities for keeping an eye on her gang members.
If she had managed to spot Cory in the thick of the crowd, then she would have won and her defeated rival would have been a little more cooperative, answering a few questions if Litsy wanted to gather intel, and even leaving the place, if it came to it. However, if she failed to find Cory while the latter was hiding, then it would be a further blow to...
It's more about what i need it to lead into. Im not a fan of how aps like to introduce nocs and have them infodump 3 paragraphs on you and assume a response.
Also, if you havent already check your dms for the roll20 link and do log i to it so your name is added to it and i can put you in control of your token.
It's more about what i need it to lead into. Im not a fan of how aps like to introduce nocs and have them infodump 3 paragraphs on you and assume a response.
I tried to RP it a little by playing on the fact that Litsy had specifically instructed her gang members not to assist to the protest, and was looking for them in the crowd to see if anyone had disobeyed, with her losing authority over them and all that. I'm guessing her "contact" would have especially been her main rival, Cory Blacksmith, given that the little brat would have been likely to ignore her orders. If Litsy had managed to find her, she would have tried to persuade her to leave, and get her to talk about anything she might have noticed at the protest.... But I rolled such poor Perception checks that it never came up, lol.
But this does make Litsy's "looking for a contact" seem a bit like a spur-of-the-moment thing, so I've thought about another option to spice it up- you tell me which scenario you like better.
Perhaps the whole rivalry between them could have evolved into some kind of competition. The main challenge would revolve around Litsy's capacities for keeping an eye on her gang members.
If she had managed to spot Cory in the thick of the crowd, then she would have won and her defeated rival would have been a little more cooperative, answering a few questions if Litsy wanted to gather intel, and even leaving the place, if it came to it. However, if she failed to find Cory while the latter was hiding, then it would be a further blow to...
Let's keep the idea of the competition then, if that's alright with you! :)
I should be gettin combat posts up tonight Still waiting on two people to respond to dms but i suspect theyll be ready soon enough.
Ah, apologies. If you were waiting for me to respond to the new PM, yes, I can move Malgar now. I'm good to go!
Ah, apologies. If you were waiting for me to respond to the new PM, yes, I can move Malgar now. I'm good to go!
No worries. I cant do anything until tonight anyway.
But once its done its done forever so i cant stop worrying about it.
Posting from my phone makes roll20 interesting . Might take me a bit to get use to that.
The app sucks. I can tellbyou that.
When Beorn speaks of slings and arrows of misfortune, he certainly didn't mean the ones with a x3 crit multiplier.
post is up
My highest roll so far is 12... I understand your suffering.
Do you think it's possible to put the dice bot in dice jail, and pick another d20?
Dont worry, it can be a lot worse! I have a character, Estelle, who is a level 1 fighter who hasn't rolled above a 5 in like six combats. Sometimes, the RNG screws you over. And sometimes you get blessed. Unfortunately we can't pick which character gets which and when.
Btw, one question @Tark. Does the armor class penalty for armors count against the strength and acrobatics checks we'd need to make to move through the crowd? In medium armor, you'd need to roll an effective 18 on the str check. That's REALLY high to be above to just move through the crowd.
Edit: Ah, I think str checks are not subject to ACP, oddly. According to the reference document, Str skills are, but Str checks aren't. I can see why they were removed entirely in second edition.
Edit: Ah, I think str checks are not subject to ACP, oddly. According to the reference document, Str skills are, but Str checks aren't. I can see why they were removed entirely in second edition.
Yes. Unless you are not proficient ACP applies to skills but not ability checks.
Basically the strength check represents your ability to just brute force your way through the crowd.
Also you need to make a concentration check to avoid mr. Slapslaps truncheon of punishment on an aoo. U less you just want ro trust your armor on it.
Round 2 is up. Have fun with that.
@Beorn Don't forget your own song! You never know if it helps? :)
Il get post up later tonight im being dragged into go fest.
Lol @Tiny :D
Yeah, expect no-nonsense, hardened survivalist, "what can I do to live through this mess" Tiny to often get exasperated at Malgar's completely irrational, often unpredictable decisions... :P Their ways of thinking couldn't be more at odds! But maybe they'll both change as the adventure goes on...
Well, never expected I would fall/die immediately in the first combat. ouch. Luckily I have alot of hp at first level so I am still at 1.
You're at 1/15 hp, right? Unless i missed something you got hit for 6 and then 8?
And... beorn is down? Or does he use ferocity to keep standing/singing for a round?
As I said I'm still at 1/15 hp. but it doesn't bode well for me, that's all I meant.
Beorn should still be up right? He has 11 hp max and has only been hit for 8. so he should be at 3/11.
Well, never expected I would fall/die immediately in the first combat. ouch. Luckily I have alot of hp at first level so I am still at 1.
There are some sentences in the English language that are too dangerous to even pronounce, for they just call on the evil, eldritch powers from beyond to unleash their wrath and misfortune on poor mankind.
"We've built the Titanic to be unsinkable", "don't worry, the Iroquois Theatre is fireproof!", and "I'll name my character Borgan the Unfallen"...
(Jokes aside, I feel your pain, and we're coming to the rescue)
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Hah all very true, let's hope I don't regret it ;)
Though 'the Unfallen' was more to characterize he didn't fall towards a more evil path in life after his trials.
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Famous last words...I have plenty of hit points. Ever since a wrath of the righteous campaign I ran those words have never been spoken again by my in person group. Dwarf cavalier voluntarily took an aoo to move away from combat. Mythic power attack critical hit from a glaive did 150+ damage and dropped him in 1 shot.
Don't worry Borgan though. we will get to you before you die. You just might be unconscious at that point.
As I said I'm still at 1/15 hp. but it doesn't bode well for me, that's all I meant.
Beorn should still be up right? He has 11 hp max and has only been hit for 8. so he should be at 3/11.
Yeah, you got crit for 8 and he got straight slapped for 8.
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And a stunning rebuke for spoiling my doublet!
And a stunning rebuke for spoiling my doublet!
Wow, two fumbles in a row followed by two nat 20 in a row!!:O I don't think I ever saw that happening before.
I have a question, GM: if Litsy attempted to find her rival with another one of her miserable great Perception checks, what type of maluses would she have to deal with? And would it be considered a free, standard, or full action?
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Dont bither. Its plot at this point.
Ah, apologies. I thought Beorn had also been hit last round but I seem to have remembered wrong.
Half-orcs, obviously ! Typing these posts out on the phone sure leads to silly mistakes..