|
Feel free to make an introductory post in the Gameplay thread. You can fill out your Initiative/Perception/Marching Order info on the slides linked below:
Also, at your leisure, please post your PFS info:
Player:
Character:
PFS ID#:
Faction:
Progress (Slow or Normal):
Day Job Roll:
Also, let me know if your character has played any of the following:
Pathfinder Society Scenario #6- 06: Hall of the Flesh Eaters
Pathfinder Society Scenario #7-19: The Labyrinth of Hungry Ghosts
Pathfinder Society Scenario #8-15: Hrethnar’s Throne
|
|
I'm leaning toward this being my skald's retirement scenario. Unfortunately, he hasn't played any of the prior scenarios in this series.
Player: Feral
Character: Thunderhoof
PFS ID#: 10774-15
Faction: Grand Lodge
Progress (Slow or Normal): Normal
Day Job Roll: None
Also, let me know if your character has played any of the following:
None. =(
|
|
Player: Michael Hallet
Character: Lurgh
PFS ID#: 2608-5
Faction: Grand Lodge
Progress (Slow or Normal): Normal
Day Job Roll:
Also, let me know if your character has played any of the following:
Pathfinder Society Scenario #6-06: Hall of the Flesh Eaters
Pathfinder Society Scenario #7-19: The Labyrinth of Hungry Ghosts
|
Player: nightdeath
Character: Faerin Boulderstep
PFS ID#: 76925-22
Faction: Sliver Crusade
Progress (Slow or Normal): Normal
Day Job Roll: NA
Also, let me know if your character has played any of the following:
Pathfinder Society Scenario #6- 06: Hall of the Flesh Eaters
Pathfinder Society Scenario #7-19: The Labyrinth of Hungry Ghosts
Pathfinder Society Scenario #8-15: Hrethnar’s Throne
|
|
I can see Ridley's concern...at high tier, this looks pretty formidable. But the four player adjustment does temper things a bit, but it still looks quite challenging...
I'll wait till the other two chime in, but one thing we can do if everyone agrees...we can start out as high tier with the four player adjustment but, if it seems too daunting after an encounter or two, we can switch to low tier...saw a GM do that after seeing the party was out of their depth at high tier...
|
|
Seems like we're split on tier...so, if there are no objections, I suggest we proceed, at least temporarily, as I mentioned above, high tier with 4-player adjustment...if, after any encounter, anyone is uncomfortable with it, we'll adjust down to low tier. While challenging, looking at your characters, I do think it's manageable with the 4-player adjustment. However, I want this to be fun and enjoyable for everyone so, as I said before, let me know if you're not feeling it...
I'll wait to see if there are any more questions for Benarry or purchases before moving us forward this afternoon...
|
|
Correct me if I’m wrong, but when you play with 6, I think you add 1 to the average APL. Even if you add just a 7th level character, that would be 51/6 for an 8.5; adding 1 would be 9.5. Not sure if you can choose to round that down or not...anything over 7th level would definitely push it to 10 though as you have to round to the nearest number (if my understanding of APL is right) and you’d lose the 4-player adjustment...
I could be wrong on that though as I’m no expert on APL...
|
Okay. Just checked the guide.
1. APL
In order to determine which subtier a mixed-level group of PCs must play in, calculate the group’s Average Party Level (APL).
APL = sum of character levels/number of characters
Divide the total number of character levels by the number of characters in the party, rounding to the nearest whole number. If the result of the Average Party Level calculation ends with 0.5, the players should decide whether to round up or down.
2. A party of five to seven characters whose APL falls between two subtiers must play the higher tier with the four-character adjustments found throughout the scenario. In the fringe case where there are no PCs that are high enough level to have reached the subtier level (such as a party of six 3rd-level characters), the group can decide to play the lower subtier.
—
So we have to play up anyway now. If we recruit a level 9-11 we would be still high tier.
If we recruit level 8 or 7 we’d be APL 8.5 or below and would play low tier.
|
I'm going to be bringing a level 7 arcanist. It looks like there is some split on preference for high tier or low tier. I would prefer low tier, as I cant really comment on how useful I'll be in a high tier game with 3rd level spells as a dedicated caster, but I definitely won't object to high tier if it's a dealbreaker for anyone.
|
|
Welcome aboard, Darkfire.
Ridley, with a 6th player, you add one to the APL...anything over adding a 7th level rounds up to 10 and you lose the adjustment...
So, just to make sure, with a 6th character that’s level 7, y’all can still choose...high tier with the 4-player adjustment or low tier...
If we go high tier with the 4-player adjustment, every encounter is scaled down a bit; as I said before, we could start out that way and if, after an encounter or two, you feel you’re getting hammered, I can adjust it down. If we start at low tier, there’s no adjusting up if you think it’s too easy...
Whichever way y’all want is fine by me...just want to confirm before we press on...
|
|
Cool. We’ll go with the 4-player adjustment to start with and see how it goes...hopefully, we’ll give Thunderhoof a proper send-off...
Also, I’ll wait till you get your character ready before I advance us further...you can ask any questions to the Venture-Captain or Hrethnar when you post and then you’ll walk through the portal with the rest...
|
|
Where are you getting that? I don't see anything in the guide that says you add 1 to the APL for having six players. The adventures after season 3 were written assuming 6 players.
In order to determine which subtier a mixed-level group of PCs must play in, calculate the group’s Average Party Level (APL).
APL = sum of character levels/number of characters
Divide the total number of character levels by the number of characters in the party, rounding to the nearest whole number. If the result of the Average Party Level calculation ends with 0.5, the players should decide whether to round up or down.
The selection of pregenerated characters might affect the APL. In some cases, there is one pregenerated character level that is clearly more fitting to the PCs’ levels, such as when all or most of the PCs fall in the same subtier. In corner cases, the GM should choose the level of pregenerated characters to provide a fun and fair experience for her table.
Scenarios in Seasons 0 through 3 were designed for four characters. For these scenarios, if the APL is between subtiers, a party of six or seven characters must play the higher subtier. Parties with four or five characters must play the lower subtier.
Starting with Season 4, scenarios were designed for six characters and contained methods to adjust for tables with four players. When the APL of a table is between two subtiers (like APL 3 for a Tier 1–5 scenario), a party of four characters must play the lower tier without any adjustments for party size. A party of five to seven characters whose APL falls between two subtiers must play the higher tier with the four-character adjustments found throughout the scenario.
In the fringe case where there are no PCs that are high enough level to have reached the subtier level (such as a party of six 3rd-level characters), the group can decide to play the lower subtier.
|
|
By the way, I have the Counterspell exploit and will probably use it nearly any time I'm able to, my normal roll is 1d20+9 to counterspell and my spellcraft is 1d20+12.
|
|
I could be wrong, but I think I recall first reading it somewhere in the forums. Not sure if this is official, but this is posted on D20PFSRD site:
Determine the average level of your player characters—this is their Average Party Level (APL for short). You should round this value to the nearest whole number (this is one of the few exceptions to the round down rule). Note that these encounter creation guidelines assume a group of four or five PCs. If your group contains six or more players, add one to their average level. If your group contains three or fewer players, subtract one from their average level. For example, if your group consists of six players, two of which are 4th level and four of which are 5th level, their APL is 6th (28 total levels, divided by six players, rounding up, and adding one to the final result).
|
|
If it messed up our APL, I can drop out before we start real combat. Zaarah/Noral just told me you guys could use an extra PC and the only PC I have 9 or above is functionally retired. I have a seeker, but he is level 14, so thats out of the range.
I think we're fine with you here. You are either changing nothing (but adding an extra body) or making the scenario a bit easier.
Our PC levels are 11, 10, 8, 8, 7, 7. Playing up when 2/3 of the party are low subtier seems like a bad idea at best.
|
|
In the Legacy Pathfinder SRD, under Core rulebook, it says the same thing that I quoted from the D20PFSRD site...
ETA: Just saw your note, so I guess I’m wrong. I just assumed the Core rulebook was the same whether it was PFS or not.
As it looks like I’m wrong about APL, y’all can let me know how you wish to proceed...
|
|
Yeah, I know what you mean, Thunderhoof. Think you'd roll through this at low tier; you might want to swap characters as I don't think it'd allow Thunderhoof to go out with a bang...
As for the next 7-11, I've got a 10th level character (Flyn) that I'll be bringing and, like you, I don't want to play him at low tier...I'd imagine if Flyn, Thunderhoof, and Lurgh all played, we'd be playing at least high tier with the 4-player adjustment...
So if you're willing to swap characters, we'll play this one low tier with six characters; I'll hold off to give you some time to select another PC...
