Cardinal Lucius d'Borja
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Huzzah!
I'm updated to level 2. I took combat expertise for my bonus feat... I'll never use it but it opens a ton of options for martial flexibility.
May I suggest skipping combat expertise and taking Dirty Fighting instead? It covers almost every pre-req ever for only one feat, so brawlers love it! :)
Most importantly at this level - Lucius speaks English! He's clearly a savant!
| Arc Perdu le Rouge |
Doesn’t Combat Expertise require a min Intelligence score of 13?
Per the rules for the Brawler class...
Brawler's Cunning (Ex): If the brawler's Intelligence score is lower than 13, it counts as 13 for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites of combat feats.
| Michael Johnson 66 |
Michael Johnson 66 wrote:Doesn’t Combat Expertise require a min Intelligence score of 13?Per the rules for the Brawler class...
Brawler's Cunning (Ex): If the brawler's Intelligence score is lower than 13, it counts as 13 for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites of combat feats.
Ah, okay, awesome!
| Zagathoth |
If it pleases the GM, I’d like to take a little more time to evaluate my bonus feat? I do like the actual function of dirty fighting a lot better than combat expertise, but I already count as having 13 Int (as just discussed), and my Dex is actually higher than 13, so I’d actually qualify for less feats by taking it... I’m reading through all the combat feats right now to see how many feats from both groups I might really use.
| Michael Johnson 66 |
If it pleases the GM, I’d like to take a little more time to evaluate my bonus feat? I do like the actual function of dirty fighting a lot better than combat expertise, but I already count as having 13 Int (as just discussed), and my Dex is actually higher than 13, so I’d actually qualify for less feats by taking it... I’m reading through all the combat feats right now to see how many feats from both groups I might really use.
Take your time, Zag. That’s the beauty of PBP, we have plenty of time to think about builds and to craft an epic shared story! :)
| Zagathoth |
@GM- out of curiousity... would you be open at all to me using power attack as my bonus feat and retraining my original feat? I didn't think of it when I first drew him up but with VMC I give up half my normal feats so I won't get another one until 5th... its not a huge deal if you don't want to do it, but if its ok something like iron will would be nice (and, surprisingly, actually opens up a feat or two with martial flexibility) or I realized there's a couple racial feats that might be a good fit (including one that gives you a watered down rage when one of your companions goes down)*. Just some thoughts. If you want me to stick with what I have already, I'm leaning towards combat expertise because it opens more options (including whirlwind attack) but I'm still not sure.
* the feat is bloody vengeance; it seemed like a natural lead in to VMC barbarian.
| Michael Johnson 66 |
@GM- out of curiousity... would you be open at all to me using power attack as my bonus feat and retraining my original feat? I didn't think of it when I first drew him up but with VMC I give up half my normal feats so I won't get another one until 5th... its not a huge deal if you don't want to do it, but if its ok something like iron will would be nice (and, surprisingly, actually opens up a feat or two with martial flexibility) or I realized there's a couple racial feats that might be a good fit (including one that gives you a watered down rage when one of your companions goes down)*. Just some thoughts. If you want me to stick with what I have already, I'm leaning towards combat expertise because it opens more options (including whirlwind attack) but I'm still not sure.
* the feat is bloody vengeance; it seemed like a natural lead in to VMC barbarian.
You can rework him. We haven’t gotten very far yet to where it would be that big of a change, so build Zag how you like.
| The Ogon Fox |
I'm adding a couple spells (I look forward to when we can make use of Ears of the City) and gaining a familiar with my vigilante talent! I've decided on a thrush (which can speak a single language just like a raven can). Any ideas for the little one's name? I think it will speak English.
Also, I'm putting two skill points in Linguistics to learn Italian and Latin.
| Arc Perdu le Rouge |
These are the dopest Pathfinder characters ever made lol...
Just wait until Arc can turn into a dragon.
| Boga |
@MJ66 -- I decided to go ahead and multiclass. When multiclassing two 3/4 BAB classes, I've seen it done 2 different ways:
- counting each class level as 0.75 BAB, adding them up, and rounding down
- adding up whatever level they are on the class tables
| Michael Johnson 66 |
@MJ66 -- I decided to go ahead and multiclass. When multiclassing two 3/4 BAB classes, I've seen it done 2 different ways:Which do you use? I'll either have BAB 1 or 0, depending.
- counting each class level as 0.75 BAB, adding them up, and rounding down
- adding up whatever level they are on the class tables
I go with RAW, adding the BABs
| Zagathoth |
@Boga- My VMC is barbarian. If you can afford the feats i think it’s a better option for a full caster than actually multiclassing- you pick up some stuff from another class without losing any caster levels or delaying your spell access.
Edit: if you really want to multiclass, you might want to consider the sacred fist warpriest... you still get your Wis to AC but the flavor might be a better fit?
| Boga |
I think of Boga as smallish, agile guy who is a priest. He's a real-world guy who wasn't locked up with a bunch of books. It was because he was out experiencing the world that became one. The warpriest is too battle oriented for him. Hopefully one level won't be too much to give up...
EDIT: Just so you know, the other class that really tempted him is Investigator (Sleuth). That would have been good, too.
| Zagathoth |
So, after a lot of hemming and hawing I think I’m going to go with blood vengeance... tactically, it’s probably not the best choice (since it opens 0 martial flexibility options) but flavor-wise it just seems like such a good fit. Hopefully we won’t find out how effective it is too soon, lol.
Johann Kaltgeboren
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I don't understand what is going on in the initiative order. I moved and bit-- why should that take two rounds?
| Boga |
Sunce it is strapped on rather than simply held, I’d rule that its a move action at least... A bit more effort than simply dropping a held item (a free action)...
Move action sounds reasonable to me. I'll go with that as the default, unless you say otherwise.
| Michael Johnson 66 |
I don't understand what is going on in the initiative order. I moved and bit-- why should that take two rounds?
Combat began with the ghasts more than 60 feet west of the party’s front rank, so in round 1, you would’nt be in range to bite on your turn. You might have chosen to double move toward the ghasts on round 1, but that seems less prudent than waiting for them to come to you... So I ruled that everyone gets preparatory actions or just held their actions in round 1 until the ghast double moved up to within a move and attack, which you could do on round 2. Hope that makes sense?
Johann Kaltgeboren
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Okay. I don't think there is anything I would do from ranged, and I have no buffs really, so I will assume I just passed the first round.
| The Ogon Fox |
Got my stats updated! I don't have a stat block in yet for the new thrush familiar. But I figure he won't actually join until we get back above ground, anyway.
Johann Kaltgeboren
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Since I'm not 100% sure on turn order, I am waiting for the Round 3 nudge before I go again.
| Boga |
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the attack by Zagathoth is his attack from Round 3. Boga's Round 1 action was to drop pack and pull scroll, his Round 2 was to advance and give Johann the blessing, this was followed by Zagathoth's almost crit (Top of Round 3).
Zagathoth wrote:Michael Johnson 66 wrote:We’ll say Johann gets round 1 actions (if he would take any other than readying a bite for the nearest ghast), then his move and missed bite happen on round 2... That makes the most sense, right?does that mean my actions go off on round 2 also? I don’t think I have anything to do before attacking, so I’ll go whenever that attack happens.Yes...
So I'm thinking Round 2 is where the first attacks occurred; therefore, we are now at the top of Round 3 wherein Lucius and Zagathoth have declared their actions. Next is Johann.
This seem right?
EDIT 1: The other interpretation I can see is that everyone delayed until after the ghast approached in Round 1. In this case, we are at the top of Round 2, and it is still Johann's turn, but he would not have the benefit of the blessing. If we are going with this version, Boga may want to do something different for his Round 2 actions depending on how combat with the second ghast turns out.
EDIT 2: Want to point out that Edit 1 does not jibe with the earlier MJ66 statement, so I'm going with the first version above.
Johann Kaltgeboren
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Initiative monkey, save us! And mark who has already gone in round 3! And skip anyone who has not gone in round 2 so we can just stop being confused!
Johann Kaltgeboren
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Sometimes calling specific person out helps-- they might not even know what is going on, and this is a confusing battle. I believe Arc is the only person who has to act in round 2..
Johann Kaltgeboren
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We should be marking out attacks with which round we are attacking in. That would help a lot (some of you are doing this already!)
Johann Kaltgeboren
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So I figured the ghast's AC was better than 16, now I am thinking it is 18. useful information if we keep encountering them...
Johann Kaltgeboren
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CMON DICE! ALL I NEED IS ONE $*%@*( 12 AND I HAVE THREE CHANCES.
Johann Kaltgeboren
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Johann wrote:CMON DICE! ALL I NEED IS ONE $*%@*( 12 AND I HAVE THREE CHANCES.That is a true lack of love. Now that those are out of the way...
.... there's always more where that came from.
:D
| Michael Johnson 66 |
FYI, the in-game date here at table one has been January 1st, 1437 AD, from the beginning, and it is now about sunset (7:30 PM)...
At table 2, they began in Lisbon on the 1st, and it’s now dawn of the 8th... Their ship voyage was four days, and they spent a night in Lisbon and a couple nights in Anfa in Morocco...
There will no doubt be some hiatus taken, at least by table 2, before the two tables combine to catch up on the timeline...