
Kord, The iron Serpant |

Ok, assuming Yzera's hit killed the guard 3, Kaath can run up and attack guard 1 in the doorway. then I can 5 ft back and use my cause fear on guard 2, then next round I can charge and grapple the warden. However if someone can come up with me and take down guard 2 next to the warden I can charge the warden next turn.
also I have 1 spell slot open to prepare any druid spell. just fyi, so after this fight i can make some good berries or something.

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So for the purposes of charm person, you're not "attacked or threatened" unless someone has specifically attacked you? I'm not objecting, I'm just clarifying since I have that spell.

Kelvar Mylan |

You know, Azrin's intervention may be just what we needed. I suddenly have a better feeling about this.
And Azrin, I'm guessing it means that none of the guards was within 5 feet to threaten him.

Kaath the Bastard |

I've been stuck at work on a 10hr shift and won't be able to post for at least an hour more. Trust me, tension is showing.

DM HolyWater |

Azrin i think it should be within that round. "Currently being threatened or attacks" i think is WHEN you cast it. Being in Melee range is threatened. Having weapons/arrows/spells/claws etc. targeting you is attacked.
If you think another view, maybe an official one, is correct and I'm wrong just let me know.

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I've not looked it up. I'm fine playing however you rule it, I'd just always assumed the +5 pretty much applied during any combat rounds, but didn't apply if combat had not yet started (sort of like being flat-footed against the spell).

Kelvar Mylan |

With 41 points of damage? If I didn't, I'd wonder what the heck you were throwing at us.

Kelvar Mylan |

I figured. Plenty challenging for a group of level 1 gestalt players, especially when they bottleneck us.

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Ah, you're right. My mistake. I'll keep the SLA. That's enough for me and those with darkvision (like my snakes).
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Kelvar Mylan |

By "him" do you mean the Warden, or Azrin? I can't see them either way, I'm just curious.

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He means the warden (I believe). I was never hidden, except for being around the corner and in a darkness spell. Which I guess actually is pretty well hidden.

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Then who can see me again? No one's seen me in the first place. Plus, I'm in magical darkness. Additionally, how does me casting Faerie Fire on the warden suddenly allow people to see me (apparently again) and not him?

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1. anyone who has darkvision can see through your magical darkness.
2.technically, based off of our position currently, no PC should be able to see you due to LOS. However when my action takes place, I will be able to see you.
3. He has not resolved the Faerie Fire action. when he does, if the warden was in your aoe, anyone with darkvision should be able to see his outline.

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Within the context above, I assumed he was resolving the faerie fire action rather than making a somewhat meaningless and nonsensical statement. However, I openly acknowledge the possibility that I am wrong.

DM HolyWater |

A note on faerie fire within darkness.
Faerie Fire is a level 1 spell that essentially defeats invisibility and darkness(but not if that darkness is a higher level effect than Faerie Fire). This here the level 2 darkness spell still hides the Warden from those without darkvision. So Kaath is fine to charge in and grab him, but Kelvar still can't see him.

Kelvar Mylan |

We promise we'll all imagine it in our heads, Kaath. Now, I'm going to go see about getting Carnadine back up on his feet.

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Watch out for metagaming. We do not know that he is down. Also, Rosemary (I think her nickname should be "The Black Rose") should be able to heal him with a lay on hands as both are negative energy attuned dhampirs.

Kelvar Mylan |

I know to watch out for metagaming, I was mainly using the logic DMHW said in this post:
Yea those dice roll gods...
It would be fair enough to say that you know they went up onto the wall. It would also be fair to go looking if they don't come back because you need the numbers to help complete the escape.
So, that's what I was thinking with the plan.

Kord, The iron Serpant |

Its alright Kaath, Kord saw you and now has new respect for your grappling abilities. One day we will spar to see who is truly best in the ring.
as for everyone else, I think azrin, yzera, and I, should check the upstairs tower while kevlar, caprin, and kaath should assist the others, we need as many bodies alive as we can get.

Kaath the Bastard |

Kord, would you do Kaath the honor and scramble this chicken's egg up? Originally figured Kelvar or someone else would be able to behead the Warden but I didn't know the Darkness kept everyone from seeing the Faerie Fire.

Carnadine |

We're heading for a mini ski vacation tomorrow to return Thursday night. Probably won't have internet. Might not post until Friday.
cheers

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With him gone from the game for a few days, we can just drag him behind us. Or use the healing on Grumblejack, and then let the ogre drag Carnadine around by his hair.

Carnadine |

Please don't cast infernal healing on Carnadine. That will hurt.
Prepare for the consequences of disrespecting Carnadine's body. ;D

DM HolyWater |

Infernal healing would be fine though wouldn't it? It gives fast healing 1 for 1 minute. Fast healing is neither positive or negative energy.
Fast Healing is just like natural healing.

Carnadine |

Infernal healing would be fine though wouldn't it? It gives fast healing 1 for 1 minute. Fast healing is neither positive or negative energy.
Fast Healing is just like natural healing.
Fine by me. I've had GMs rule the other way. But I like your perspective!
cheers

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Yes, by RAW (and I believe RAI) infernal healing works on undead and other positive-energy-sensitive creatures.
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Yup, I agree with DMHW. I have looked at Infernal Healing and see nothing about positive or negative energy. I can see a DM ruling the other way, but would consider this a gross misreading and/or misapplication of the RAW.

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Even with your strength, you would have been moving pretty slow pulling a 2000 pound ogre down a set of steps and across a courtyard with archers cheerfully shooting at you.

Kelvar Mylan |

Kaath, why didn't you say you had Infernal Healing prepared? I could have passed it to you already.
I'm thinking that if we want to bring back Grumblejack after we finish up the Warden's tower, we should save Infernal Healing for that. I'll use my channel for Carnadine.
Although since he's gone for a few days, maybe I should wait till Rosemary gets injured to use it.

Kord, The iron Serpant |

MAAAAAAAN KEVLAR YOU RUINED MY LIVE EYEBALL EATING ROLL PLAY! I'm doing my best to warm kaath up to the delicacies of cannibalism!