I realize that something is in the works that will involve Ephebe, so I wanted to get the story in a position to allow her to do what she needs to do without any problems. I am sorry if this causes problems I want to help keep stories going.
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Re:broken bones
In real life you can keep going with broken ribs, or even minor fractures in places like the hands or feet. Adrenaline is an amazing thing. The first time I broke a rib, I stood back up and finished the sparring match. Didn't even realize it was broken until hours later.
Game terms I would think that minor breaks and sprains and such would fall under hit point damage and thus would be healed by a cure spell. Major breaks would indeed cause ability damage and require something stronger, like restoration, to mend.
My mom crashed her bicycle while on vacation with my Dad and rode back in the car with a shattered shoulder socket/blade and a few broken fingers. It's a 14 hour trip and the doctors were thinking she was on a motorcycle when it happened. The fact she even stayed conscious during that trip amazes me, as does the fact it was hours before she even thought she she go to a doctor.
So the sum of it is, he's going to feel sick for a while, but after that, it's like it never happened.
Cool. That's what we'll go with.
Thanks people that contributed. :)
I'm also going to drop the powers thing I had linked to that for this reason.
Vai's murder...
I am sure Mel would be more than willing to help. but she does not know, nor can I think of any logical way for her to find out.
I don't want to have some wierd and unbeliievable method of discovery. so for now, If anyone thinks of it, they can tell Mael about it.
after all every memeber of her band is getting taken out one by one... I begining to think someone does not like her music.
Look out Ace you may be next....
Thinking about it, I feel like Destiny should be one of the most powerful Patrons or at least one who is able to get other Patrons do what she wants.
Reason being, she only cares about fate, of everything. She probably knows which, if any, Patron is to end up the "winner" of their game, though I don't think she would interfere unless something was going to grossly change that and even then might not.
I sort of see her almost akin to a cross between the Watcher and Living Tribunal from Marvel, only acting when Destiny or fate is truly out of line.
Her Champion does similar, but on a mortal scale, and thus is likely far more active than perhaps some of the other Champions, but not necessarily proactive or even reactive.
I've sort of talked to FCD about some of this, curious what others thought though...
No Patron/Champion gets the "I win" card.
It would invalidate everything.
You have to keep in mind that the power the patron prepresents encompasses both the negative and positive attributes of that concept.
She is made up of equal parts bad destiny and great destiny.
In my opinion-
Dentiny shouldn't even be a Parton. With multiple timelines, it isn't a thing, or is part of time.
Not to mention that it completely nullifies the point of the game.
Knowledge knows who will win in each given timeline. Of course, saying anything about it shifts the timeline xe's in, and may change the outcome.
Heck, for knowledge, if he truly knows everything, I have the feeling this game is probobly quite boring. If he wanted to, he could counter every hand, as he already knew what you were going to do, how to counter it, and set up that counter before you even knew you would do it.
Knowladge also embodies destiny, by already knowing the outcome.
I don't discuss Champion stuff. and ususally tune out all conversations about them.
EDIT actually I tune out alot of discussion topics since most topics discussed does not have any relavance to any of my characters.
Wisdom.
Edward has it. (^-^)
(With the side benefit of preserving one's sanity too) ;P
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I think it makes sense for Krays to be able to sense the death of another Champion. Kind of on the same principle as the Discworld Death having to show up in person for the death of a wizard.
Destiny/Fate is not any more powerful than any of the others. It's different from knowledge however. Fate isn't about actually knowing what is going to happen; it's about the idea that everything that happens is somehow planned out ahead of time and can't be changed. It doesn't even have to be true to be a powerful idea.
So... Uh... Isn't vai already out of her champion contract? Can't you just raise her now?
Death severs it, I thought.
Only until the Patron selects a new Champion after deeming that the original won't be brought back to life by some means.
Granted, Lumos can't play that card since the other Vai is in this universe, but a little patience now should pay off dividends later...
Do the champions actually get /told/ this, or do they make a binding contract without full knowledge of Said contract?
Do they even get informed of the fact that they can be punished for disobeying?
.....And just because I can be patient doesn't mean I like it...
It sure looks like it gets glossed over.
Fine Print = Teh Eeevilll ;P
Where is the benift? If vai comes back without champion abilities, it means she doesn't have to be bound to this horrible creature anymore.
Let's see...
Evil-
Horrible punishment for disagreeing with the patron- check.
Deliberately hidden rules- check.
Cheating whenever they can get away with it- check.
Thinking themselves and their desires more important then everything else- check.
Good-
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Hmm.
They do give out superpowers, just saying.
Not an "I win", as much as the power to be able to make fate happen, if for some reason another being/s(Patron or otherwise) interferes that isn't supposed to.
For example, lets take a Marvel Universe example:
Say Earth is destined to be eaten by Galactus. The Avengers and the FF fight valiantly, but are defeated by Silver Surfer and a few other heralds. However, a Tony Stark from an alternate timeline and future happens to be on Earth, and using tech from several centuries beyond present day, manages to thwart Big G.
Future Stark is an anomaly in this instance. There's not supposed to be two Iron Mans, but for some reason there is.
If this was in the Avalon Universe, Destiny could/would step in, and do something to put fate back on its proper track.
Of course, this also brings up thing likes divergent destinies, as well as more esoteric topics like if stuff like a race, a city, or even a whole planet or galaxy could have a destiny....
So it's defining trait is "I hate time travel"? I approve much more of destiny being a Parton now.
Probably. Though, time doesn't much care for time travel either, most of the time.
There's precious little upside to speak for in being a Champion, when you really look at it. (The phrase "The House always wins" comes to mind - most of the time anyway.)
Unless of course you just care about power, as David just said. Then you're as good to go as your morally deficient self can be, I suppose ;)
Can anyone tell me how these things are "above" morality?
I mean, I haven't seen a single good act yet, but plenty of evil ones.
Probably. Though, time doesn't much care for time travel either, most of the time.
Most of Ephebe's job is fixing the messes caused by time travel. Time would really love the assist on that.
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None of the Champions really understands what they're getting into when they sign on. They learn the rules as they go, usually the hard way. At first it was all sunshine and roses as they were able to do so much good with their new powers... And now we are to the part of the story where our fledgeling champions are discovering that power comes at a price.
Regarding what good the Patrons do:
They regularly keep the universe from getting destroyed, stop the gods from running amok and killing off everything in their wars, and provide many helpful benefits for mortals. But they are also selfish and self centered and don't necessarily care about collateral damage as long as they get their way. They don't care about good or evil or any of that. It's kind of like having a universe run by cats. ;P
Hey, here's something to add to the good list:
The Champions (and by extension the Patrons) tend to be the ones that keep the Seeds of Destruction in check. It's already happened in-game once, and is actually the reason why Vai accepted her Championship in the first place (at least, in this time line): to defeat Khoda.
Destiny/Fate is not any more powerful than any of the others. It's different from knowledge however. Fate isn't about actually knowing what is going to happen; it's about the idea that everything that happens is somehow planned out ahead of time and can't be changed. It doesn't even have to be true to be a powerful idea.
Besides, who wants to live in a deterministic universe anyway? Amirite? ;)
Other then the horsemen and rovsgug, why would the gods kill everyone? That woudl deny them most of their power.
How on earth would the universe be nearly destroyed without the patrons? I mean, what has that much power? Even asmodius, prince of evil, doesn't want that.
Aside from the dark tapestry gods, some of witch who are said in pathfidner mythos to be able to kill off this universe by simply /paying attention/ to it. Course, they also don't give a ****.
And by killing balance instead of supporting it, they let this risk grow bigger- a balanced universe won't destroy itself.
They seem, to me, like more of a problem then a benift, and a problem that will eventually end everything, with no hope of stopping it.
Not like that makes the concept bad- there's a reason settings with thins like cuthulu that will eventually kill everything, nothing you can do about it, are poplar.
Hey, here's something to add to the good list:
The Champions (and by extension the Patrons) tend to be the ones that keep the Seeds of Destruction in check. It's already happened in-game once, and is actually the reason why Vai accepted her Championship in the first place (at least, in this time line): to defeat Khoda.
And yet, if they actually cared, they would just remove them on their own, forming a truce about it. It's disruptive to their game /and/ mortals. Rip them out and hide them in some corner of the universe, then resume their ubsurd game.
Ah, but I mustn't forget. Alignments are very opinion based.
Heck, I wouldn't peg anyone I know, save one person, as "good".
A balanced universe is static. It inhibits growth. They don't like that. Also, they can't remove Destruction...he's one of the players. He just can't fully, properly manifest like the rest. Because even destruction has its place.
And the gods wouldnt mean to kill everyone...they just sort of tend to crash around while fighting with each other. Honestly the patrons are downright careful in comparison. (And if you don't think the gods have the emotional maturity of toddlers, boy, do I have some fun mythology for you.)
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I am reminded of the 2e instructions for building a sky castle, (one of the two ways, and it's the more long term option)
Step one get a storm/ cloud giant giant or silver dragon to like you
Step two get them to point out a cloud that a god of the sky (or some variation like storms thunder weather rain etc) blead on, which produces a nearly permanent cloud capable of supporting weight the book mentioned that this was common due to how often they fight
Oh, I'm aware that most of the gods are a-holes too.
The most level headed seem to be Sarenre (nearly impressive to get mad) and desna.
Wasn't aware that distruction was still a player.
I'm not doubting that they are, to some degree, neccery.
"Required evil" is a phrase that I would apply to most of the patrons.
Lucas, please stop encouraging snobbish behavior.
I would be very happy.
Dream has been helpful to people. :)
So has Death, oddly enough.
I have a refined sense of humor.
Dream has been helpful to people. :)So has Death, oddly enough.
Not coincidentally these two were called out for actually having good relationships with their champions. :)
Who knew Death had such a good social life?
Mel, ball's in your court. ;)
Poor Tybs doesn't have a relationship with his Patron yet. XD
At least as far as Mercy goes, causing harm to people is against the idea.
Couldn't really be many uprisings with that.
At the very most the other champion would have to be nearly dead already in which case killing them would be a "mercy killing.
But then Death also gets power, so it wouldn't put her ahead either.
Mercy is a tough Patron to be, I suppose. It relies on the people. But then Mercy and Love go together. Or hope. Until a certain point. If there's enough Mercy, there doesn't need to be Hope.
Poor Tybs doesn't have a relationship with his Patron yet. XD
At least as far as Mercy goes, causing harm to people is against the idea.
Couldn't really be many uprisings with that.
At the very most the other champion would have to be nearly dead already in which case killing them would be a "mercy killing.
But then Death also gets power, so it wouldn't put her ahead either.Mercy is a tough Patron to be, I suppose. It relies on the people. But then Mercy and Love go together. Or hope. Until a certain point. If there's enough Mercy, there doesn't need to be Hope.
Mercy isn't always "Good".
You can be merciful towards someone that doesn't deserve it, someone who won't repent or change their ways (and continue hurting people).
Sometimes, Mercy is killing people.
All depends on how it's defined, but it all falls under the purview of the Patron. ;)
I have a refined sense of humor.
Trying dying sometime.
It hurts.
Well, I don't think you died... I mean, you're still there. And krezzin's probably fine.
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Judging from what she posted she did something similar to what ino Yamaka (and the rest of her family) does(do), it looks like she threw her mind/soul at him and then lost the connection
And sis, I'll have you know that there are many painless ways of dieing, some that are even euphoric
And there are many things in the world of the living that will having you beg for the relief of death