| icehawk333 |
icehawk333 wrote:Like a comic book ... Super powers! Just not magic. Reminder that our reality doesn't apply. It's a game setting. He certainly isn't violating time, at all. :)...
Curious how you violate causality without magic or an equivalent.
Unless, of course, he can time travel.
In comic books, i have to imagine most everything they do is magic.
X-men- "Mutants" can't possibly work that way. Magic.Superman- "well, that's not how anything works..."
| icehawk333 |
If that's the case, then why do we play with gravity, the same year as our world, carbon based life, or physical injury?
Game worlds are like reality unless otherwise noted.
And non-magical instant transmission is... Groan.
Though we used the starcasters, but even then, my thoughts went to "how is this not magic?"
But, I'll let it lie. It's a concern for never.
| lynora |
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" :)
Also, oddly enough, the more you learn about advanced physics the less these insane things bug you. Cause the more you know the more you start wondering how anything works in the first place. :P
It's best not to fuss about it.
| Vickory West |
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
Actually, I see that quote as only referring to appearances and direct final effects (and literary stuff), otherwise they are different.
Technology is a device that is made then used, though not necessarily by the maker or someone who knows how it works.
Magic is manipulating the world directly through will, thought, and energy and it requires the user to have understanding.
So while the end result might be the same, the lead time, preparations, and the knowledge of the "actor" are all very important differences between the two.
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Besides the real questions are, teleporting is teleporting, whether achieved through a scientific device or a "spell." Creating a mini-wormhole, is creating a mini-wormhole, whether a spell or a device made it, so really, at what point does SR and similar things stop affecting things based on source? Why would magic teleport be stopped but not tech?
I guess the determining point is to decide whether magic has to work through intermediary steps that might be blocked, or detected, that tech doesn't have to worry about.
Arthur Barren
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http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff300/fv00255.htm
“Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.” – Terry Pratchett
“Any magic is insufficiently analyzed science.” – Agatha Hetrodyne (Clay)
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” – Arthur C. Clark
| Edward Sobel |
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff300/fv00255.htm
“Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.” – Terry Pratchett“Any magic is insufficiently analyzed science.” – Agatha Hetrodyne (Clay)
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” – Arthur C. Clark
that sounds like Clark's law.
Any sufficiently advanced form of technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Clarke's Law
The Seventh Doctor reminded Ace of Clarke's Law and stated that "the reverse is true", as was the case of the Thirteen Worlds, a parallel universe where technology formed alongside magic. (TV: Battlefield)
The Captain paraphrased this by describing now-wrecked craft had possessed technologies "indistinguishable from magic." (TV: The Pirate Planet)
Although not referenced specifically, the Sycorax proved Clarke's Law, by thinking of blood control as form of sorcery, due to it giving them power over others. (TV: The Christmas Invasion)
When Angelo Colasanto believed Captain Jack Harkness' Vortex manipulator to be magic, Jack corrected him saying it was technology, although the two could be indistinguishable. (TV: Immortal Sins)
| Tybalt Baneko |
Right before Arthur asked that, I had actually considered typing "this is what's best for her," but that would've come off as if he knows for sure exactly what will happen when he doesn't. :)
Lord Foul II
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Yes Druid immunity to poison would do it (probably, not sure if it applies to allergic reactions), but to do the talking to them to work you'd have to know where they were and talk to them, convince them to move, give them the ability to move, etc, and if you could do all of this it'd be easier to skip all but step one and just avoid them yourself
Lord Foul II
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It wasn't rules lawyering (though as muckyness is entirely opinionated, and possibly made up, I can't really say it isn't that)
I was saying it for reasons of practality, and making sense, flavor, if you will,
The rules lawyering I could have done, to start with would be to bring up the fact that you would need to expend spells each time you wanted to do this
| lynora |
MG, stop overreacting. Name calling is not cool no matter how frustrated you are.
Foul, your original point may have been perfectly valid as there's nothing particularly objectionable about questioning something that doesn't make sense to you. However, that doesn't excuse the unnecessary dramatics. You were being rude.
I'm going to bed. I expect you two to play nice. I don't want to check in tomorrow morning to find that this has escalated. Neither of you can afford that.
Dragonborn3
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MG, stop overreacting. Name calling is not cool no matter how frustrated you are.
Foul, your original point may have been perfectly valid as there's nothing particularly objectionable about questioning something that doesn't make sense to you. However, that doesn't excuse the unnecessary dramatics. You were being rude.
I'm going to bed. I expect you two to play nice. I don't want to check in tomorrow morning to find that this has escalated. Neither of you can afford that.
| lynora |
Alright, I'm putting last night's incident down to two tired people exercising poor judgement and I expect everyone to put it behind them.
Moving forward, I have noticed a lot more times where people are getting caught up in nitpicky details and hung up on rules. Please remember that this game is rules light. Sometimes we fudge the rules and that's okay. If you must question something, please remember to use a polite tone and be willing to let it go if it's not something important. When in doubt, ask me to make a ruling rather than turning it into a protracted argument. Thank you.
| Monkeygod |
Trying to come up with a logical reason for Ace not to spring up and immediately come to Sil's aid. Don't want both my PCs dominating this scene and this moment is 100% about Silinrul. Hoping I can get away with Ace being distracted by Asha long enough for Sil to be taken to the infirmary.
| Vickory West |
No, it'll work.
Unless adon forces it, Su ablites (usually) work fine.
This is ex, so it'll work, no question.
I was not speaking in a strictly mechanical terms, I was pointing out the underlaying concept fluff. Basically, why do abilities interact this way?
| Vickory West |
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff300/fv00255.htm
“Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.” – Terry Pratchett“Any magic is insufficiently analyzed science.” – Agatha Hetrodyne (Clay)
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” – Arthur C. Clark
Technically, these depend on your definition of magic. I've seen a few different definitions.
| David.De'Foul |
He doesn't know that. :)
if it helps, so long as the shooter is caught/killed I have an idea if what Dave will say when next we meet (if the shooter kills someone/escapes he might sleep on his boat tonight)
| Tybalt Baneko |
I'm not really sure if I'm excited or afraid of tomorrow. XD
I do have a very short narrative if Tybs goes back to his room tonight, and doesn't fall asleep in Mel's room tonight.