
Cae Leonidas |

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Ri'Kli'Klek |

Ri'Kli'Klek is in the corner of that square, yes, since you said they're 10' squares.

Sebecloki |

As a matter of fact Mr. Sable, I was up well past my bed-time, so I was perfectly fine with that. :P
Plus, I'm happy with watching. It gives me a chance to see how RP posts work on Paizo.
Also, did you see my note about the Automatic Bonus progression, I don't think I mentioned that to you in updating.

Sebecloki |

Apply these:Automatic Bonus Progression as if level +2 (i.e., the 'low magic' setting).
EDIT:Also, can you please link your sheets to your profile?

Tyren Lourofesh |

I can most certainly link them!
And I'll be making some updates--I just read through the rules a little more thoroughly, and realized I had actually selected some redundant feats!
Also, would you be opposed to me making the firearms out of masterwork bone?
And the bullets out of just...Regular bone?
Man, the more I flesh this guy out, the more gruesome he becomes.

Sebecloki |

I can most certainly link them!
And I'll be making some updates--I just read through the rules a little more thoroughly, and realized I had actually selected some redundant feats!
Also, would you be opposed to me making the firearms out of masterwork bone?
And the bullets out of just...Regular bone?Man, the more I flesh this guy out, the more gruesome he becomes.
go ahead.

Tyren Lourofesh |

Heh, cool.
Alright, I linked Tyren and all his various minions.

Hamza Mīnakshi |

Is the idea that it's like a evil foo creature for yaksha nobles?
EDIT: I like the idea, but we need some fluff, like it's a specific, known category of creatures that inhabit 'Alaka. Come up with an appropriate Sanskrit analog of some sort.
As far as the actual familiar goes, I was thinking of a raven. Maybe using a modified Daemon Host or Half-Fiend also altered for a Raksasha.

Rokan the Ascetic |

Level 6 vigor points: 1d10 ⇒ 3
How did it go? were we re-rolling 1's only, or taking average if we didn't meet it?

Hamza Mīnakshi |

[dice=Level 6 vigor points]1d10
How did it go? were we re-rolling 1's only, or taking average if we didn't meet it?
I'm fairly certain Seb said max per level, which I would assume would be retroactive, but I no longer see that in the campaign info section. Nor does it seem to be in the House Rules doc.

Rokan the Ascetic |

dives into the house rules doc... (again? don't remember if this is the original or an update entailing the recent level up discussions)

Hamza Mīnakshi |

Hey Seb, out of sheerest curiosity,
We had originally discussed my fielding a 2nd character, way back when I first started playing, alongside Hamza?
Any chance I could still do that? I'm guessing probably not, since we have so many actual PCs now, but I kinda wanna put together a badass purely ranged PC. Likely Fighter(Because moar feats)/Marksman.

Tyren Lourofesh |

If you do get to do it, I can promise you one thing: You will have buffs. At least +8 to atk, ALL forms of damage, and all saves.

Amunet-Ra |

Sebecloki, Amunet-Ra is still invisible. Unless the golem got some additional senses, he should at least have made a check versus concealment 50%.
Is already done now, so let's go forward with it though.
I'll note more visibly in future posts the invisible status.

Sebecloki |

dives into the house rules doc... (again? don't remember if this is the original or an update entailing the recent level up discussions)
I changed it, just take max everything, retroactive.
EDIT: I accidentally deleted that from the campaign page. I'm trying to gather all the rewritten rules from 3.5 and PF in a document, and the way's we're using some of them in the campaign info page (like number of feats etc.).
Also, I'm trying to find good equivalents for a lot of Dark Sun stuff to add to this documents. I don't think the conversion document we're using spent much time on the classes. I tried to find some stuff that would be good fits for templar, bard, gladiator, and dune trader; anyone have suggestions on good equivalents for the following base classes:
-Dune Trader (Trader)
-Gladiator (I copied a couple of efforts, any opinions? Other options?)
-Defiler (instead of just making this a way of using magic, is there actually a class that would reflect the energy sucking idea?)
-Elemental Clerics
-Preservers (again, can we find something that is more than just 'uses magic normally', but actually has some connection to positive energy channeling or something)?
-Templar (I copied something that channels dark energy, thoughts?)
-Bard (copied something I thought might work -- any other ideas?)
There could be multiple options for all those things, I'm just trying to come up with a list of suggestions that cover the distinctive slots/roles.

Sebecloki |

Sebecloki, Amunet-Ra is still invisible. Unless the golem got some additional senses, he should at least have made a check versus concealment 50%.
Is already done now, so let's go forward with it though.
I'll note more visibly in future posts the invisible status.
Did she have greater invisibility? Because I'm pretty sure invisibility disappears when you attack, which she already did.

Sebecloki |

Hey Seb, out of sheerest curiosity,
We had originally discussed my fielding a 2nd character, way back when I first started playing, alongside Hamza?
Any chance I could still do that? I'm guessing probably not, since we have so many actual PCs now, but I kinda wanna put together a badass purely ranged PC. Likely Fighter(Because moar feats)/Marksman.
I'd be open to it since I'm allowing 'buddies' -- we actually had a absolutely horrific (as in amazing amounts of damage-dealing archer) that dropped right about the time you started. Any interest in resurrecting his character with a rebuild (you can change the race and classes, just the general character concept).
EDIT: I also had a whole plot line that surrounded him -- a lot of the original characters were from a single village in the Ringing Mountains around Tyr, and it would be nice to be able to re-incorporate that plot.

Tyren Lourofesh |

I think it might help to see it less as channeling positive energy and more as replacing as much of your magic with stuff of the real world as possible. 'Cuz really the thing that separates a Preserver from a Defiler is how much life energy they have to use.
EDIT:
For instance:
http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/essentialist
(Yes, I've been in Spheres of Power this whole time)
I could imagine this being pretty easily refluffed for Athas. A Preserver buys a lot of expensive plants, then ever-so-carefully takes the life-force from one to bolster another. Then they extract the magic from the plant.
Spheres also has the benefit of being able to handle the pros and cons of the two sides with Traditions. For instance, a Preserver could be fluffed to take magic more from themselves than the environment, so the more magic they use, the more they exhaust themselves until they eventually pass out. I.E. Strenuous. You could take it a step further and have it actually cause physical damage.

Sebecloki |

I think it might help to see it less as channeling positive energy and more as replacing as much of your magic with stuff of the real world as possible. 'Cuz really the thing that separates a Preserver from a Defiler is how much life energy they have to use.
Yeah, I know that's the fluff. Is there a class or spell system that gets that across more? The conversion document just has preserving magic as being like normal spell casting, and defiling uses metamagic. But surely someone's come up with a class or magic system that gets that idea of sucking life out of the world more?

Tyren Lourofesh |

Actually, to that end, Spheres of Power has pretty easily the best single disadvantage to work with that:
Terrain Casting.
Basically, every time you cast a spell, you either pay a spell point, slow your casting by an action step, or damage the surrounding environment for a year.

Sebecloki |

That's actually a pretty good representation of the 2e system I think -- at least for preserver.
Terrain Casting [Apoc]
Your magic draws upon the primal energy and nutrients of the terrain. Whenever you use a sphere talent or ability you must either spend an additional spell point or increase your casting time by one step, else your magic drains and corrupts your space and all adjacent squares. Terrain that has been blighted in such a manner prevents those who possess the Terrain Casting drawback from using sphere talents or abilities as if it were a dead magic zone. Areas that have had its nutrients drained are affected in different ways depending upon location (water may turn brackish or stagnant, while soil may become barren or salted); regardless of location, blighted areas will generally heal naturally after a year.

Tyren Lourofesh |

I could see the traditions being arranged thusly:
Preservers:
Drawbacks:
Draining Casting(1 pt. of nonlethal damage, +1 per 5 Caster-levels for each spell you cast)
Skilled Casting(Requires a Skill Check of 15+Caster-level or else you suffer a -1 to the caster-level per 2 points you fail by)
And then a boon if you're feeling kind. Maybe Draw Magic(Gain +1 to CL if there's 3 creatures being effected by your spell. +2 if there's 6.)
Defilers:
Drawbacks:
Terrain Casting(Use up resources faster or else wreck the environment)
Addictive(The more you use your magic, the successively harder it becomes to live w/o it. Every spell point you use causes a DC 10+(1/every time you've made this check) check to see if you gain a level of addiction. It goes from none > Minor(-2 Con) > Moderate (-2 Con/-2 Str) > Severe (-2 physical, -2 wis, -2 casting). Only way to reduce the DC is to not use spell points for a day and then succeed on a check vs. the save. It also reduces the addiction by one step. Otherwise, spend a spell point to avoid the effects for a minute.
For that one, you might actually want to hand out a free feat, since it's a potent drawback and already has a social stigma attached.
EDIT: Oh, yeah, so there's actually a way to reinvigorate the land in-setting--Cool, Spheres also kind of has that, too.
The nature sphere has an advanced talent called Rapid Growth that's locked behind a CL of 15. It basically allows you to cause vegetation to spring forth, but also requires you provide some way to sustain it.

Amunet-Ra |

Amunet-Ra wrote:It's on slide 2, it's like a big mantis thingI'm not seeing it somehow.
Actually meant the rules for equipment and items specifically^^
I'll take a look again later.Also just did a sum up post before, i saw Jimblis post.
Had to do that reflex save, since it happened before Amunet-Ra got swallowed.
Round 3 action coming in.
I was about to ask how the interior looks like exactly though :D

Sebecloki |

Sebecloki wrote:Amunet-Ra wrote:It's on slide 2, it's like a big mantis thingI'm not seeing it somehow.
Actually meant the rules for equipment and items specifically^^
I'll take a look again later.Also just did a sum up post before, i saw Jimblis post.
Had to do that reflex save, since it happened before Amunet-Ra got swallowed.
Round 3 action coming in.I was about to ask how the interior looks like exactly though :D
Fixed it -- equipment rules were in the spoiler about feats; I'm still trying to figure out how best to organize stuff. I'm thinking of splitting up some of the rules into different files like a combat rules file, a spell rules file (I'd like to put something better together for the magic system that's close to 2e Dark Sun), and one for equipment options and so on.
I looked up a lot of stuff about line of sight -- the rules are different between 3.5 and PF, with the latter being considerably less rigid. I was trying to compare it to a arrowslit, which is partial cover, which can count for line of effect in 3.5. I think in the future I may have some kind of penalty, because I was sort of imagining the mouth opening and closing, with Amunet only visible part of the time, but we're through it now, so let's just keep going. There are inevitably gray areas where, even if you look up a bunch of rules, it's not 100% clear what RAW is, and I try to side with the PC if I think they're being clever and making interesting uses of their powers, which Jimbli is always doing with his teleportation abilities.

Hamza Mīnakshi |

There was a 3.5 PrC, Blight something maybe, that could probably sub for a defiler.
Also, I know the online community, Dicefreaks, had a PrC for their Gates of Hell project that was similar to the defiler.

Monkeygod |

I'd be open to it since I'm allowing 'buddies' -- we actually had a absolutely horrific (as in amazing amounts of damage-dealing archer) that dropped right about the time you started. Any interest in resurrecting his character with a rebuild (you can change the race and classes, just the general character concept).
EDIT: I also had a whole plot line that surrounded him -- a lot of the original characters were from a single village in the Ringing Mountains around Tyr, and it would be nice to be able to re-incorporate that plot.
Since I just have the idea of an archer, I'm open to an actual character concept.
However, it will probably be quite awhile before I'm ready to bring this character in, as I need to finish up Hamza's changes and updating him with all the new rules.

Amunet-Ra |

The use of power reminds me, Ri'Kli'Klek is a psychic as well, but didn't see him use many powers so far.
Perhaps this is a chance since we definately have a need there.
Most people i saw use a spell or power seem only to have self buffing stuff so far, but no real control spells or powers.
I also like the approach for magic here!
Amunet-Ra would work as archer as well. Just would need to take a look on how to flurry then, but it's either Zen Archer or a magical weapon enhancement that turns any bow into a monk weapon.
Works well with the Dark Sun fluff too, elves and bows...
That said i already have good ranged combat with Shuriken!

Sebecloki |

The use of power reminds me, Ri'Kli'Klek is a psychic as well, but didn't see him use many powers so far.
Perhaps this is a chance since we definately have a need there.
Most people i saw use a spell or power seem only to have self buffing stuff so far, but no real control spells or powers.I also like the approach for magic here!
Amunet-Ra would work as archer as well. Just would need to take a look on how to flurry then, but it's either Zen Archer or a magical weapon enhancement that turns any bow into a monk weapon.
Works well with the Dark Sun fluff too, elves and bows...That said i already have good ranged combat with Shuriken!
What specifically do you like about the magic -- that there aren't a lot of full casters in the party, or were you commenting on some of the suggestions above for defiling/preserving?
Also, what does everyone think of the spell points systems? I'm not going to require it, but I was wondering what the view of that was in comparison to Vancian casting.
Also, I'm assuming everyone's going to basically rush inside the little room now that it's open, is that a far assumption so we can move things along?

Cae Leonidas |

Spell points is one of the main reasons I like Spheres so much. Vancian is not my jam.

Ri'Kli'Klek |

The use of power reminds me, Ri'Kli'Klek is a psychic as well, but didn't see him use many powers so far.
Perhaps this is a chance since we definately have a need there.
Most people i saw use a spell or power seem only to have self buffing stuff so far, but no real control spells or powers.
Ri'Kli'Klek mostly has support psychic spells. Given our actual level versus the power level of foes we can anticipate, control spells seem like a losing proposition unless you really focus on them.

Amunet-Ra |

Mh didn't look at your spells Ri'Kli'Klek, but you are probably right.
Guess we can't face down this thing any way.
@Sebecloki: I was indeed looking at the preserving/defiling options.
Defiling should give a considerable power boost, but have severe effects.
Preserving shouldn't be easy on the other hand.
There was a system somewhere which let you apply free metamagic for defiling for Pathfinder.
Magic should also be stronger than Psionics in some ways, else it wouldn't really justify the fluff i think.
With DSP Psionics, that's pretty difficult though.
I once played a Psion through a complete campaign, it was a really feared PC :D
I didn't look at the spell points, since it's not affecting me at the moment.