Jehova's Arena (Test) (Inactive)

Game Master Jehova

This is the test for a longer term arena campaign, with combatants beginning at level 1 and advancing through combat. Some rules and specifics are still being worked out, so it's not ready for full campaign status yet.


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Meh.. I dunno. Until you get Spell turning, the only difference between fighting a caster and not fighting a caster will be "do you prepare See Invis?"


I'm divided on this.

Part of the main strength of prepared spellcasters is being, well... prepared. So I can see it as being fair for them to choose their spells based on who they'd be fighting.

On the other hand, it is also understandable that they should need to be ready for variable situations. So I can definitely see it as fair that they do need to plan a spell list ahead of time to handle most situations.

Tough to say. I'll just go with no vote, 'cuz I don't really have much of a preference.

Scarab Sages

At higher levels a prepared caster can debilitate just about anyone with the right spell combos. I think I'm against it for that reason alone.
Then again, that really turns you into a spontaneous with a little less flexibility.

Count me as on the fence.


I guess I understood that to be one of the intentional weaknesses of the class. Letting them tailor their prepped spells to the one fight they'll have that day completely negates this.


How exactly much tailoring does one expect? All the casters still just SoS or SoD the enemy either way.


Not sure. If it were me, I'd probably try to make guesses on strongest saves based on the race and probable class of my opponent and go from there.

Depending on the racial visual capabilities, i may pick up Darkness.

And now that we know that non-Humanoid races are possibly on the table, that does mean I could know to remove a few Humanoid-specific spells and swap in some others.

I'm sure there are more options to tailor it, but those are just off the top of my head.


Ok so my Laptop thought it would be good to corrupt my Character Files...


There will definitely be no tailoring to fit specific opponents. Allowing swapping of your spells would be like allowing swapping gear, which leads to stuff like buying a new Bane weapon for your opponent's race before each fight, dropping AC items in favor of Will boosting stuff vs. casters, and other such nonsense. Having prepared spells is not a disadvantage, you can still swap spells around when you realize something's not working or you know everyone else is built against your current setup, just not between match-up and combat. Also, prepared casters tend to get higher spells sooner, which means higher save DCs and more powerful effects, very important in the arena.

Scarab Sages

That is true, Jehova. Good point.

Edit: that tone should be read as mildly disappointed.


Yeah, that makes enough sense. Little sad for the prepped casters, but certainly understandable, and they do obviously still have a few advantages (easy metamagic, large number of spells known, etc.)

Incidentally, this is Jack. I've got stats for him at 2 and 5. Just fyi, [Redacted]. Hmm... Jack might actually be rather interesting in the team battle if we get that going, now that I think of it.

Anyway, he could be up for some matches.

Edit: Actually, let me just get rid of that.


Rolg is still ready for a 2v2 at level 2, or i have a half-Orc i can finish up for level 5.

Who's up for one of those. Just go ahead and claim one of those characters as a teammate or foe and let's get this thing kicked off. :)

Scarab Sages

I think Rolg+Bruno would make an awesome Team Dwarf

If lvl 5 team is decided, Blarnaz will be my man as soon as he's done in the arena.


Choon wrote:
I think Rolg+Bruno would make an awesome Team Dwarf

Welp. That'll prob be death to all contenders :P

If this is going on at level 5, I think I'd like to see Jack in action. If we do it at 2, uh... frick, pretty much all of my characters take a few levels to get decent :/ At least compared to the RAGECHARGESPLAT that has been the downfall of so many :P If I kept the same trick on one of my characters that I originally planned, that might have worked, but I altered that. Hmm...

I should really put forth a full BAB character sometime (besides Aros, I suppose).

Scarab Sages

On second thought we might want to keep them apart due to their combined damage potential. :P

Scarab Sages

I think I want to vote lvl 5's too just to get some more class abilities and specialization into play.
Blarnaz! I chose you! (as soon as you're not fighting. )


Okay, 5's it is. I have a half-Orc named Rorsk and his Wolf friend named Kitty. I can't have him geared up until tonight or tomorrow, though (at my folks' house for the day).

So if you guys want to kick it off sooner, I'll sit the first one out. If y'all can wait, I'd love to participate. If that's the case, anyone wanna claim Rorsk as a teammate?


well Macho man is ready to go at either level just give the word.

Scarab Sages

I feel awkward 'claiming' a partner, honestly. I'd rather see who was up for it then agree on as balanced teams as we can.
So far we have:
Blarnaz
Macho Man
Rorsk+Kitty
Jack

So I suggest
Macho + Blarnaz
Vs
Jack + Rorsk(kitty)


We've only got 4 people in on this as of yet? It'd be even more awesome if we could go for a 3v3.

Anyway though, I'm fine with whoever on my team...

Though, seeing Blarnaz, I'm tempted to submit Fyros (no alias yet) to make this more even.

Choon:
Caster vs. Caster, while the melees duke it out? ;)

Edit: I'm kidding though, I'll stick with Jack. Could be interesting either way though.


I'd be down with that. Can y'all give me through this evening to gear up and submit my half-Orc to Jehova?


Doubt that should be a problem, since this is still in the formulating stages at this point.

Besides, it might be a little hard to do a 2v2 with 3 people :P


i am good with any match up.

now do I just stand by and wait to get tagged in?

sorry wrestling reference


Roughneck, do you have a level 2 version? If so, you could go in against Rolg. :)

Also, submitting Rorsk to Jehova (gear and all) now.

Scarab Sages

I'll be a little busy tonight, but free to start whenever. This 2v2 may actually move a little slower than a normal fight due to more items in initiative.
Start it whenever we can.

Darkwolf:

I'd be down for that. We could test counter-spelling each other


...On that note, I suppose I should actually PM Jack's statblock. That might help things along ^_^;

Edit @ Choon:
Well, Fyros probably wouldn't be the best counterspeller... Not to give away too much of the build, but suffice it to say, he isn't gonna know all that many spells :P

Scarab Sages

darkwolf:
Upon looking at the Counter spell rules it looks like it will be rather ineffective as you need to have either the same spell known/prepared or have some of your slots open. At this level we don't have many slots to play with. Too few, I think, to mess with this at this low level.

Scarab Sages

Notices that Jehova's been kinda silent and hopes he's not dead or something. That would be terrible. : /


Choon:
Agreed, the counterspelling rules are a bit tough to work with (though Improved Counterspell seems like it could make a big difference. I kind of wish that was just built into the rules though, with a need for a check or something).

I think in an arena like this however, we might actually have some better luck with it, as there is the possibility people might gravitate towards similar spells. Of course, there's always dispel magic too :P

I assume he probably has stuff to do. I suppose on the off chance he did end up dead though, that would indeed be quite sad :/

Scarab Sages

Darkwolf:
I agree, but I think it won't come into play until we have more slots to play with. Right now I had to be really choosey with Blarnaz and I can't see giving up slots for the next few levels.


I have bothe a level 2 and 5 version

Scarab Sages

Darkwolf:
That and the wierd "prepare an action to counter" thing. If the enemy doesnt cast the right spell your action is wasted.


Choon:
Hey, at least you're a prepped caster (witch, right? That's basically been my assumption) so you can switch 'em out. Fyros is spontaneous, so if someone wants to cast a spell he doesn't know, he'll be unlikely to have it later either :P

As for the readied action thing, I really do dislike that part of counterspelling. The way I understand it is, if you're preparing to counterspell, you make a spellcraft check to identify it, and if you know/have the spell in question, you can cast the appropriate one. But... yeah, I don't like the idea of readying to counterspell, and if your opponent casts something you don't have, or just doesn't cast, you wasted your turn :/ Seems like the whole system is a bit cumbersom, at least in my opinion.

By the way, in regards to what the teams end up as, I think it was only likely that team battles would happen if the characters in question decided to team up, right? Maybe instead of assigning teams, we should just head to the discussion thread and see how the recruitment process goes? (Maybe the Arena is holding it's first big team battle thing, so they're calling for volunteer teams to get everybody thinking about it?)

Heh, I know to just try this out, it's easy enough to assign them ahead of time, but it might also be fun to play it out in character :P


I am like the total opposite of dead, I have been doing many things though. Looking at characters now.


Jehova wrote:
I am like the total opposite of dead, I have been doing many things though. Looking at characters now.

ahhhh... undead?

Scarab Sages

Glad to hear it, Jehova.

I would kinda like to see a team form-up in character too, but this is the test version so I see forming even teams for testing purposes.


The Roughnecks wrote:
Jehova wrote:
I am like the total opposite of dead, I have been doing many things though. Looking at characters now.
ahhhh... undead?

This arena is run by a lich??? This place just got 147% more awesome.

Scarab Sages

Darkwolf117 wrote:
The Roughnecks wrote:
Jehova wrote:
I am like the total opposite of dead, I have been doing many things though. Looking at characters now.
ahhhh... undead?
This arena is run by a lich??? This place just got 147% more awesome.

No kidding! Now I picture us as the unwitting servants of some crazed lich-Mage/scientist who is researching the nature of violent death or something like that.


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guys what shut up that's ridiculous don't be silly that's very unlikely.


Yeah. Of course.

;D *wonk*


Jehova wrote:
guys what shut up that's ridiculous don't be silly that's very unlikely.

I don't know if I'm more or less scared of a lich who speaks Valley. :)

Scarab Sages

Eben TheQuiet wrote:
Jehova wrote:
guys what shut up that's ridiculous don't be silly that's very unlikely.
I don't know if I'm more or less scared of a lich who speaks Valley. :)

More scared. Definitely more scared.


Monday morning bump.

Scarab Sages

Eben TheQuiet wrote:

Monday morning bump.

Happy Monday everyone. :)


Darkwolf117 wrote:

Yeah. Of course.

;D *wonk*

Wonk?

GOOD DAY EVERYONE!

Scarab Sages

Maybe it was supposed to be wink.


Oi, happy monday, sorry for the slowness of me in the past few days, I just realized we don't really have any fight stuff actively happening, so let's have another clear pool of characters, what they're up for (team, 1v1), and their levels. I really wasn't planning on having team stuff be a huge part of this, but if it ends up being super awesome I can definitely squeeze it in more.

WHO IS READY TO FIGHT?


well, we had talked about doing a 2v2 level 5 fight.

Jack and Rorsk (and Kitty) vs. Macho and Blarnaz.

You up for running a team match?


If not, Rolg is always up for some combat... I guess so is my level 5 Half-orc.

Scarab Sages

Blarnaz, lvl 5- in team fight above
Bruno, lvl 2- open

Scarab Sages

I figured at least one team match would be good just to get a feel for it before the "launch". Who knows, maybe some interesting rules situations will arise.
I think I have had at least one such complication in all my matches so far so the odds of making it through unscathed are slim. :P

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