Inner Sea Sandbox: Suspicious Minds

Game Master Garden Tool

A sandbox-style Inner Sea campaign featuring a suspiciously-non-good-aligned party of five antiheroes.

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@ Everyone: I think I failed to make it clear in my previous post that the Gameplay Thread is up and running!


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I got the message and pm'd you my email.

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At this time, I'm still waiting on an e-mail address from FireclawDrake.

The rest of you should have an e-mail regarding editing permissions for my GoogleDocs account. Don't worry about the Gilded Bottle map yet, combat may or may not occur there, and I have not marked any PC positions on the map.


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

Busy morning yeesh. Let's do dis :D. In brief, bolded spells are my domain/divination choice for that spell level. Empty slots (for later preparation) will be marked with <>. I'll post my prepared spells every time we rest or there is a new day, even if I'm keeping the same list. That way there is no confusion.

Is it safe to assume that folks are speaking Common unless otherwise noted?

Wizard Prepared Spells:

1st (2 + 1 bonus, 1 divination) - Comprehend Languages, Mage Armour, Charm Person, <>
0 (4) - Detect Magic, Read Magic, Mage Hand, Presdigitation

Cleric Prepared Spells:

1st (1 + 1 bonus, 1 domain) - Identify, Bless, Shield of Faith
0 () - Detect Poison, Light, Stabilize

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Male Human Magus 3

I would certainly note - and probably spoiler, for that matter - any non-Common speeches I might make.

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Unless noted otherwise, assume NPCs are speaking in Common, yes.

Welcome to the adventure, Jelanis. Setting you up for GoogleDocs as we speak.


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Kamlann of Egorian wrote:
I would certainly note - and probably spoiler, for that matter - any non-Common speeches I might make.

I will do the same.


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

I'll be heading to work in about a half-hour, and likely unable to post until late this evening, just so's you all know.

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Human (Minkai) Samurai (sword saint) 7 (Order of the Warrior)

Garden Tool:
So, I have a pretty good idea what this thing is, and that leaves me with a couple of questions I need to get rulings on.

First: what kind of weapon is a chair when used as an improvised weapon? I'm thinking it's a club, but wanted a specific ruling.

Second: can I use arcane points to enchant an improvised weapon?

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@ Shisumo:
A barstool sounds like a club, a chair leg like maybe a dagger, but a chair sounds more like a heavy mace (a relatively heavy one-hander).

As for enchanting an improvised weapon, I'm going to say "no." I realize that the definition of a weapon isn't clearly defined in the CRB, but I wouldn't allow a PC to craft a +1 goblin bane chair, so I'm inclined to disallow the arcane pool from doing the same.


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@ Garden Tool - how do you want handle Syndir's Snake Style? Do you want to roll the Sense Motive checks if applicable?

Snake Style

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@ Syndir: Reactive checks (including Snake Style) will be GM-rolled. I'll assume that you intend to use it when attacked unless you specify beforehand that you want to reserve your Snake Style for use against specific targets or attacks.

Sound good?

Also, are you taking a surprise round action? It is your turn.


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Yep, Im just waiting for the googledocs email verification so I can see where I am relative to the sand creature.

Sound good about Snake Style.

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Did you not get one? I'll resend. Stand by.


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I got the invite ok. I just had to wait on the Google Docs account verification. Its all good now and I can see the map.


Male Human Gunslinger (Mysterious Stranger) 3

zzzZZZzzz

Avenge me! ;-)

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@ FireclawDrake: Pun not intended, actually. That's hilarious... xD

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Male Human Magus 3

I saw the previous post, but since this worked out much better for me, I'll take it. Jelani - I assume you're about to wake up Seamus?

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I can't believe I forgot that first roll.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to find out what kind of damage firearms deal.


Male Human Gunslinger (Mysterious Stranger) 3

B&P. Why do you ask...

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Male Human Magus 3
Seamus Haggrathy wrote:
B&P. Why do you ask...

For the same reason I'm about to try to beat this thing to death with a chair.

(Though I'm first going to waste an action making sure it's not DR/magic.)

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Shisumo is quite right, jonasty. The creature clearly has quite a lot of damage reduction, to shrug off 7 points without a scratch. Time to try different properties and damage types. Nonmagical slashing attacks don't work well on extraplanar sand creatures, apparently.

Those of you following the gameplay thread right this second: I made and corrected another slight error. Guh.


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

Hmm, maybe I should've retrieved my staff... ah well. We shall see how much Seamus can accomplish. I am about to revive him.

Never have I ever been so happy for an immunity to magical sleep.


Male Human Gunslinger (Mysterious Stranger) 3

Lol oh I had a good idea of the point. PBP doesn't allow for childish innuendo and sarcasm as well as I'd like.

Yeah I'm just waiting to wake up and get a "shot" at it. Pardon the pun.

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@ FireclawDrake: Yep. Good thing you didn't trade that ability out for Dreamspeaker (racial variant that repalces the immunity). Since you're a diviner, and that ability enhances divination spells, I thought for a moment that you might've, on that first round. I was kind of relieved that you didn't, after I checked. I don't want to wipe the whole party just yet. : P

@ Jonasty: It's a good day for puns (if such a thing can be).


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

That racial is sadly only available to full elves. Though it makes no mention in the Pathfinder rules, I'm unsure if elves sleep at all? Obviously they still need rest, but I believe in 3.5 they only needed 2 hours of "trance" to count as rest. I could be completely mistaken or misremembering though. Obviously the rule isn't in effect for Pathfinder anyway.

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True, you're a half-elf. God, I am so off today.

With regards to elves and sleep, Pathfinder doesn't imply that elves have "needs" any different than that of the other races, when it comes to sleep. I believe the elven "trance" is mentioned somewere in the "adventuring/exploration" sections of the CRB, but mechanically, whatever elves do is identical to sleep.

PS: It's your turn over in the gameplay thread.

PPS: Kamlann has now witnessed nonmagical bludgeoning damage have full effect on the monster. If magic can overcome it, that'd be a welcome alternative to trying to kill it with a chair, I'm sure... but all the same, "nonmagical bludgeoning" is a confirmed-successful damage type.

Syndir's Snake Style does give him the option of attacking with piercing unarmed strikes, but he didn't specify that he was using that ability, so I assumed that he was not.


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

I edited the OOC post I made so as to not add more posts to the thread.


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Excellent assumption! I will state when he's using the piercing option of unarmed attacks.

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Male Human Magus 3

There a reference in Second Darkness, when the PCs visit an elven village, that specifically notes there are no beds, just "woven mats" for meditation while resting. I seem to recall, however, that James Jacobs has said he either plans to retcon that or already has, because he wants Golarion elves to sleep (to differentiate them from FR or Greyhawk elves).


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

I hadn't realized this, but elementals aren't immune to being dazed. I figured immune to stun also included immune to daze, but I can find no reference in the rules that would support this.

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FireclawDrake, you are correct.

PS: I'll be away from my PC for the next hour or so, guys.


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

Still waiting on Kamlann to roll against an AC higher than 8... [/tease]

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Male Human Magus 3

Yeah, that would be awesome, wouldn't it?


Male Human Gunslinger (Mysterious Stranger) 3

I think the dice roller hates me. In every game I'm in it seems like I haven't rolled higher than an 11 in weeks.

Here's hoping the damn gun doesn't explode in my hand next turn!

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Broken isn't so bad, come to think of it, when you're hitting touch (which you will hopefully be able to do, pretty reliably).

EDIT: Exploding would be bad, though!


Male Human Gunslinger (Mysterious Stranger) 3

Didn't want to clog the game thread.

With regards to the sheathing action, I thought Quick Draw would allow me to sheathe as well as draw it faster. Looking at the feat, I think that was a homebrew rule in my RL games.

As far as the pistol. I can still use it while Broken, I just run the risk of destroying it if I roll poorly again since it's not magical. That being said, I'm not risking that this early in the game. My plan for now is to keep the scimitar and pistol in hand, not gonna bother to reload it. I'll probably switch to melee and just see how we go from there.

Need to get this damn gun enchanted ASAP.


Male Human Gunslinger (Mysterious Stranger) 3

Ninja'ed on the exploding being bad. Once it's magical I can worry less but yeah for now it's not worth the risk.


Male Human (Keleshite) Barbarian 1 / Rogue 3 | HP 35 | AC 15 | FF 13, T 12 | F+7 R +4 W+2 | Init +5 | Per +4 | CMD 16 | Speed 40'

This is some of the worst rolling I have ever seen! I can't believe I got a 1 on my Will save, oi...

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And that was not the first (or last) 1 you guys have rolled so far, either. At least you were already asleep, so it's not that bad. Better a 1 on that save than a 1 once you're up and walking around again.

On the whole, you guys are not impressing me with these rolls, though.

Come to think of it, Shisumo, Flametouched had a really hard time with his rolls during that first thoqqua encounter in my Eberron campaign, too. And those had AC 14.

You all know the "blowing on the dice for luck" trick, right? Maybe you guys should blow on your computer screens.

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Human (Minkai) Samurai (sword saint) 7 (Order of the Warrior)

Yeah, I was remembering that fight too. But then, I've also had some trouble with the dice roller in some of the other PbPs I'm in. (I do okay when I'm GMing, of course...) I just think the dice roller is out to get my characters...


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

IF he can just fail this save, that would do a nice job to swing this fight around.

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Human (Minkai) Samurai (sword saint) 7 (Order of the Warrior)

Bloody hell... another ridiculously bad attack roll and minimum damage with the spell? Who did we piss off, exactly?


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Well, according to our backgrounds...any number of people? All of whom have deep pockets as well. Yah, this isnt going to be easy no matter how we slice it. Still, it would be nice to roll higher than a 10! Wait, it would be even nicer to be awake and in the fight!

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Human (Minkai) Samurai (sword saint) 7 (Order of the Warrior)

I almost fired the missiles at you and Farid instead, to wake you up. In retrospect, maybe I should have... though I somehow think if I had, it would have been max damage instead of minimum...

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Another "1" from Kamlann. That's three of you "feeling sleepy," now.


Male HP:9/17, AC15/To11/FF14, F4/R2/W9 Half-elf (Half Garundi) Diviner 2/Cleric of Nethys 1

Sadly, the only person immune to the sleep effect is almost definitely the worst fighter at this point (give me a few levels XD).

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You could see if you can lend Kamlann your masterwork quarterstaff. More dependable than a chair, no doubt. Provided you're willing to give it up, it would be a move action, I think, for Kamlann to take your staff from your hands?

I'm assuming it's no different than "picking up an object." There's no harder rule for that sort of action that I know if. If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

PS: It really is bizzare how many "1's" you guys have rolled. As some of you have probably guessed, this enemy isn't just a strictly ordinary sandman, but the EL for this encounter isn't even "epic" for a party of four. And you guys are a fresh party of five, with slightly-better-than-wealth-by-level equipment.

I swear I'm not trying to wipe you. The sandman is, but I'm not. : P


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lets keep in mind that 'we' havent rolled those 1's. You have Mr. DM!

seriously reconsidering my vote on that...

just kidding, thats the way it goes sometimes. all que sera, que sera and all.

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I have rolled some of them. : P

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