
Kaska of Red Talons |

I'm going to be traveling from today through dec. 26th and it's unlikely I'll be able to post during that time. Feel free to bot me as needed. Happy Holidays everyone and see you on the 27th!

Fireday |

Unexpected circumstances have rendered me internet-less until our new modem arrives sometime in the upcoming week. I apologize for the inconvenience. :(

Coen Deval |

Welcome back!
Brutal fight where high AC meant very few hits on the guy with the hammer besides Magic Missiles. Now we're out of dungeon without fixing the elevator, unless I'm missing something.

Fireday |

The merchant from the town followed us, revealing he's a Technic League spy, and he's gonna try to kill and rob us.
Let's not kill him TOO quickly, though. Fireday will want to interrogate him!

Viv Voltine |

Kineticist 3
+8 hit points (5 class, 2 Con, +1 favored)
+1 BAB
+1 Will saves
New feat: Precise Shot (finally!)
New class features: Elemental Overload +1
New Infusion: Bowling Blast (ranged trip!)
Skills: +1 each of: Acrobatics, Heal, Intimidate, Perception, Stealth, Use Magic Device; Knowledge (engineering), Profession (masseuse)

Coen Deval |

Sorcerer 3
+1 Ref, +1 Fort, 6 HP
New Feat: Precise Shot (like you do)
New Class Feature: Resist Cold/Fire: 5, lowlight vision
Bloodline Spell: Unseen Servant (tough choice this level)
New Spell: Ray of Enfeeblement
Skills: Bluff, UMD, Spellcraft, Knowledge Arcana

Fireday |

It seems even when switching providers my internet has problems. I'll try to update Fireday's sheet as fast as I can, but my wifi signal keeps fading in and out, and it's too much of a hassle to type it on my phone.

Fireday |

Okay, I think that's everything:
Warpriest 3
+1 Ref, 5 HP
New Feat: Technologist
New Class Feature: Bonus Feat (Two-Weapon Fighting)
+1 1st level spell per day (+ Wis bonus)
Skills: +1 Climb, Diplomacy, Perception, Sense Motive
Background Skills: +1 Craft (mechanical), Knowledge (engineering)
Now I can ACTUALLY use my monk's spade in battle! It'll be twice the fighting power!

Kaska of Red Talons |

@Fireday: Your HP looks a little low? We are doing 1/2HD+1 right? Then +1 for favored class? I figured I'd ask since you just died and all... :)

Kaska of Red Talons |

Ranger 3:
HP: +9
BAB: +1
WILL: +1
Feats: Endurance, Weapon Focus: Falx
Ranger: Lucky Dodge (Replaces Favored Terrain)
Skills: +7 Points: +1 Disable Device, Sense Motive, Perception, Spellcraft, Stealth, K. Nature, Heal. +2 Background: +1 K Engineering, K History.

Fireday |

Unfortunately, it is. My HD is d10, so my HP is 5+1 per level, since my CON is only 10, and my favored class bonus gives me an extra skill point, since I needed a high DEX and STR to use the Monk's Spade effectively, and WIS for spellcasting, that didn't give me much room for any other stats and I didn't want to be a dummy.

Coen Deval |

Half of 10 + 1 is 6 a level. The +1 isn't the favored class bonus, if that's the cause of confusion. Fireday's HP should be at least 22 if you took all your class levels as bonus skill ranks instead of HP, as the first level is max hps. (10+6+6)

Coen Deval |

Half of 10 + 1 is 6 a level.
The +1 isn't the favored class bonus, if that's the cause of confusion. Fireday's HP should be at least 22 if you took all your class levels as bonus skill ranks instead of HP, as the first level is max hps. (10+6+6)

Fireday |

You don't think I'm dead weight, do you? I'd hoped that between my own use of fervor and Gylwinth I could get away with a low CON. :(

Viv Voltine |

Generally speaking, if you're gonna do melee, you either need high hit points, a high Armor Class, or some kind of passive defense like mirror image or blur that just causes enemy attacks not to hit (or to do less damage, like DR).
Since you chose to use a double weapon, you can't use a shield, which means you've put yourself into the category of... say, a ranger who uses two weapons: multiple strikes to try to get extra hits in, but no shield and just your armor for AC.
You should consider upgrading your armor, even though it will hit your movement speed. (You can always offset that later with boots of striding and springing.) Also, look for lots of little ways to get +1 to AC: +1 ring of protection (2,000 gp), +1 amulet of natural armor (2,000 gp), feats like Dodge and Two-Weapon Defense. (This is tough because you also should consider Double Slice and, down the road, Weapon Trick.)
Consider that I'm not a melee character, and I have a better AC, more hit points, and a temporary hit point force field. You gotta close that gap! :D
Note that your sheet lists your monk's spade as doing 1d6+2/1d6+2, but with a double weapon you only get half your strength bonus on the secondary attack, so it should be 1d6+2/1d6+1 unless/until you get the Double Slice feat. (I dunno if I would invest in a feat for a measly +1 to damage with one half of the weapon, though. Martial Focus would even be better because it would be +1 to both ends. Eventually if you increase your Strength this will be slightly important, though.)

Kaska of Red Talons |

Oh, I just thought you had miscalculated by leaving off the favored class bonus. I didn't catch you using it for a skill point.
But no, I don't think your CON score is a problem if you adjust play for it. Personally I tend to build defensively. I set CON at 14 as the very first thing when building a character and work around that. I have a hard time going down to 12 unless the race has a CON penalty. But then I also take Toughness as a 1st level feat almost religiously, so you can see where my preferences lie. A lot of people think Toughness is a poor choice, and at 12th level looking back it probably does seem like it. But you have to make it to 12th level and in my experience it's totally worth the low level benefits. I think of it like auto insurance. Wasted money if you never have an accident, but who never has an accident?
But, with that little digression done, I see plenty of melee characters get by fine on less. You have magic and buffs to offset the HP, just be sure to use them. Also there are a couple of things we could do to even things out a bit. Right now Kaska has almost twice the HP of Fireday and a better armor class. Gylwinth could switch from bodyguarding Kaska to Fireday mostly, which would negate some attacks against him. Fireday could also take the chainmail we found instead of Kaska to bring his armor class up. If you'd like it I'd be happy to give it to you.

Fireday |

I do hope to get better armor eventually. That's part of what the ranks in Knowledge (engineering) and Craft (mechanical) are for, along with Technologist. If I can't find a suit of Smart Armor, I want to be able to MAKE one!
I'm not relying on my DEX for AC as much, just getting as much as I need to qualify for dual-weapon feats, so the low max DEX bonuses of heavy armor (like Smart Armor) doesn't hurt me as much as it would a ranger or a rogue. I'm not trying to be a monk here.

Coen Deval |

I honestly didn't double check the HD size I took it for granted when they said it was D10 (AND I'm playing a warpriest in our regular game. =(
Nobody thinks you're dead weight. That's me for the first 6 or 7 levels.

Fireday |

Heh, the d10 came from me misreading the Starting Wealth section on AoN as the HD section. Sorry about that! *embarrassed smile*

Fireday |

Well, the Super Bowl is done and the Patriots have left my hotel, so I should be back to posting more regularly now. Sorry, folks!