Ysoki Cheek Pouches, grenades and 1cubic foot


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SO, brought up by a player, how many grenades can a Ysoki store in their Cheek Pouch?

1 grenade = 1 L in weight.

Thanks!


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Ten.

Ten items at L weight equal one bulk.


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Hope they don't get shot in the mouth while doing so. Or accidentally pull a pin while fidgeting...


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L bulk is rounded down. There's no difference between 10 L and 11 for weight, so you can go all the way up to 19.


Hithesius wrote:
L bulk is rounded down. There's no difference between 10 L and 11 for weight, so you can go all the way up to 19.

But will 19 grenades fit in 1 cubic foot of space?


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Hope they don't get shot in the mouth while doing so. Or accidentally pull a pin while fidgeting...

My favorite part is you can spit out specific items into your hand.

"Oh, i'm sorry! I thought you said plasma grenade"


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"Quit talking like your mouth is full of grenades!"


Thom Colgan wrote:
Hithesius wrote:
L bulk is rounded down. There's no difference between 10 L and 11 for weight, so you can go all the way up to 19.
But will 19 grenades fit in 1 cubic foot of space?

Here's a modern US flashbang. As a cylinder 5.25 inches long and 1.73 across, you can hold it fairly easily and it has a volume of around 12.34 cubic inches. A cubic foot is 1728 cubic inches. For volume to be a limiting factor, each grenade would need to be over ~91 cubic inches to shave off the 19th, which gives you an explosive brick that's 4.5 inches per side. That sounds like poor ergonomics to me, which is terrible for a weapon you're supposed to be able to just grab, prime, and throw.


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Hithesius wrote:
L bulk is rounded down. There's no difference between 10 L and 11 for weight, so you can go all the way up to 19.

Just remember if carrying 19 grenades in cheek pouches no hot sauce or spicy food for you!


Hithesius wrote:
Thom Colgan wrote:
Hithesius wrote:
L bulk is rounded down. There's no difference between 10 L and 11 for weight, so you can go all the way up to 19.
But will 19 grenades fit in 1 cubic foot of space?
Here's a modern US flashbang. As a cylinder 5.25 inches long and 1.73 across, you can hold it fairly easily and it has a volume of around 12.34 cubic inches. A cubic foot is 1728 cubic inches. For volume to be a limiting factor, each grenade would need to be over ~91 cubic inches to shave off the 19th, which gives you an explosive brick that's 4.5 inches per side. That sounds like poor ergonomics to me, which is terrible for a weapon you're supposed to be able to just grab, prime, and throw.

One thing to note flashbangs are big and bulky but basically designed to pitch into the next room or through a nearby window. You have to be pretty close range otherwise the effect wears off before you can breach a room. So they designed for effect not for any long range requirements. If you look at a normal army issues frag grenade they are a lot more ergonomic and fit easily in the palm of your hand. Flash bangs are more like throwing a can of monster energy drink at somebody size wise.


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Hithesius wrote:
Thom Colgan wrote:
Hithesius wrote:
L bulk is rounded down. There's no difference between 10 L and 11 for weight, so you can go all the way up to 19.
But will 19 grenades fit in 1 cubic foot of space?
Here's a modern US flashbang. As a cylinder 5.25 inches long and 1.73 across, you can hold it fairly easily and it has a volume of around 12.34 cubic inches. A cubic foot is 1728 cubic inches. For volume to be a limiting factor, each grenade would need to be over ~91 cubic inches to shave off the 19th, which gives you an explosive brick that's 4.5 inches per side. That sounds like poor ergonomics to me, which is terrible for a weapon you're supposed to be able to just grab, prime, and throw.

For reference, a Ysoki can fit roughly 39 baseballs in its cheeks.

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I don't know about the logistics of this issue, but I find the idea that you can walk around with 19 grenades in your mouth as a ysoki absolutely hilarious.

"Oh crud...I think I just swallowed a pin. Um...guys, you might wanna duck..."

Also, just the visual gag is pretty hilarious.

"Sir, what's in your cheek pouches?"

*muffled* "nothing..."


Hithesius wrote:
L bulk is rounded down. There's no difference between 10 L and 11 for weight, so you can go all the way up to 19.

Touche! Thanks for pointing that out. :-)


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For hamsters, cheek pouches go down to their HIPS. So they're not carrying them in their mouth, they're carrying them in pouches accessed via the mouth which reach down the sides of their bodies. Thus: No trouble talking.


One wonders how this would work with the Pull Pin feat ... ;)


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Or quickdraw and hit and run.

Run up spit out a gun, cap someone in the knee and run away.


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The Mad Comrade wrote:
One wonders how this would work with the Pull Pin feat ... ;)

No. Just... no.


I wonder if Serums of Healing can be converted into a chewable form? For the ysoki adventurer on the go.


Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
One wonders how this would work with the Pull Pin feat ... ;)
No. Just... no.

We though of this 2 but the way it is worded:

"You can only activate a grenade that is ready to be drawn and thrown" So if it isn't in their hand then technically you couldn't do this. I would rule that if it was on a bandolier or so then you could do that.


Ventnor wrote:
I wonder if Serums of Healing can be converted into a chewable form? For the ysoki adventurer on the go.

I had wondered the samne thing. but thinking you bite down on them getting the syrum out.

Also can you use the syrum to use give mouth to mouth to stabilize someone.


doctor_wu wrote:
Ventnor wrote:
I wonder if Serums of Healing can be converted into a chewable form? For the ysoki adventurer on the go.

I had wondered the samne thing. but thinking you bite down on them getting the syrum out.

Also can you use the syrum to use give mouth to mouth to stabilize someone.

fuzzy-face CPR ... that'll give some people nightmares. ;)


.........ALl I can think of is Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers.
In. Space.


Micheal Smith wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
One wonders how this would work with the Pull Pin feat ... ;)
No. Just... no.

We though of this 2 but the way it is worded:

"You can only activate a grenade that is ready to be drawn and thrown" So if it isn't in their hand then technically you couldn't do this. I would rule that if it was on a bandolier or so then you could do that.

I concur. "ready to be drawn and thrown" means not concealed at a minimum. Now, perhaps - if one realizes that Chip the Grenade-Gobbling-Ysoki has a gaggle of grenades stuff in his yap - if the (KAC+8) is beaten via Pull Pin by a large margin of success - say, by 5 or 10, whichever falls under 'difficult but not impossible' in general terms - then the poor bipedal rodent is about to have an incredibly bad day.

By RAW, nah. By Rule of Cool, maybe. ^_^


The Mad Comrade wrote:
Micheal Smith wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
One wonders how this would work with the Pull Pin feat ... ;)
No. Just... no.

We though of this 2 but the way it is worded:

"You can only activate a grenade that is ready to be drawn and thrown" So if it isn't in their hand then technically you couldn't do this. I would rule that if it was on a bandolier or so then you could do that.

I concur. "ready to be drawn and thrown" means not concealed at a minimum. Now, perhaps - if one realizes that Chip the Grenade-Gobbling-Ysoki has a gaggle of grenades stuff in his yap - if the (KAC+8) is beaten via Pull Pin by a large margin of success - say, by 5 or 10, whichever falls under 'difficult but not impossible' in general terms - then the poor bipedal rodent is about to have an incredibly bad day.

By RAW, nah. By Rule of Cool, maybe. ^_^

I like Rule of Cool. We had an idea run up still the pin through it in the mouth run away. Just cause I can. We have someone that wants to be a ysoki operatic that steals everything and shoves it in their mouth, just because they can. In a home campaign I will let some of these shenanigans happens well because EPIC FUN.


Micheal Smith wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
Micheal Smith wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
One wonders how this would work with the Pull Pin feat ... ;)
No. Just... no.

We though of this 2 but the way it is worded:

"You can only activate a grenade that is ready to be drawn and thrown" So if it isn't in their hand then technically you couldn't do this. I would rule that if it was on a bandolier or so then you could do that.

I concur. "ready to be drawn and thrown" means not concealed at a minimum. Now, perhaps - if one realizes that Chip the Grenade-Gobbling-Ysoki has a gaggle of grenades stuff in his yap - if the (KAC+8) is beaten via Pull Pin by a large margin of success - say, by 5 or 10, whichever falls under 'difficult but not impossible' in general terms - then the poor bipedal rodent is about to have an incredibly bad day.

By RAW, nah. By Rule of Cool, maybe. ^_^

I like Rule of Cool. We had an idea run up still the pin through it in the mouth run away. Just cause I can. We have someone that wants to be a ysoki operatic that steals everything and shoves it in their mouth, just because they can. In a home campaign I will let some of these shenanigans happens well because EPIC FUN.

Heck yeah!


So my question is do this items in the cheek pouch get wet with saliva?

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So Ysoki operative with "Pull the Pin". Captured and hand cuffed. The spits out grenade.....


Speaking of cheek pouches...


Bogerdan wrote:
So my question is do this items in the cheek pouch get wet with saliva?

Hamsters do not have saliva glands in their cheek pouches. Things might get a little damp on the way in and out, but would be dry while inside.

It is also interesting to note....

Rats don't actually have cheek pouches, they just have cheeks that stretch. They are just putting things in their mouth.

Since the description in Starfinder states they are cheek pouches, that would mean Ysoki are closer to humanoid hamsters than humanoid rats.


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Tony Wilkinson wrote:
So Ysoki operative with "Pull the Pin". Captured and hand cuffed. The spits out grenade.....

I'm not sure why people assume that full cheek pouches aren't obvious. 19 grenades in the side of your face isn't 19 well-concealed grenades.


HammerJack wrote:
Tony Wilkinson wrote:
So Ysoki operative with "Pull the Pin". Captured and hand cuffed. The spits out grenade.....
I'm not sure why people assume that full cheek pouches aren't obvious. 19 grenades in the side of your face isn't 19 well-concealed grenades.

I am actually curious how much a Ysoki can put in their pouch(s) before it becomes apparent.


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Bloodtyger wrote:
HammerJack wrote:
Tony Wilkinson wrote:
So Ysoki operative with "Pull the Pin". Captured and hand cuffed. The spits out grenade.....
I'm not sure why people assume that full cheek pouches aren't obvious. 19 grenades in the side of your face isn't 19 well-concealed grenades.

I am actually curious how much a Ysoki can put in their pouch(s) before it becomes apparent.

That depends on their sleight of hand modifier. :D


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Sleight of mouth?


Slightly.


It's much better to fit 19 grenade arrows.
Arrows are really long, but they are thin, so probably will not fill more than 1 cubic feet, even if they don't fit in a cube of 1 foot per side.

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