Vigilante Archetype:Warlock 「Can add like "Rapid Shot" or "Deadly Aim" on "Mystic Bolts"?」


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Silver Crusade

According to

Logan Bonner (Designer)
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sdkw?Mystic-bolt-and-arcane-strike#1

Mark Seifter (Designer)
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sddd?Warlock-TWF-and-Mystic-Bolt#1

Both of them said "No"

But my friend said: Look at the date,it's a playtest,now we should
follow the UI write, because it was public on 2016.

So,is it correct?


Always use the most up to date information.

Liberty's Edge

Deadly aim: yes

Rapid shot: probably yes.

Don't put the question only in the title, it is bad form. Repeat it in the actual post you make.


Deadly Aim, though, has a catch: it doesn't apply to touch attacks. So to use it with mystic bolts, you must intentionally choose not to make them touch attacks.

Liberty's Edge

D20PSRD wrote:
The warlock vigilante attacks with mystic bolts as though they were light one-handed weapons, and the bolts can be used for two-weapon fighting (with each hand creating one mystic bolt) and feats and abilities that apply to weapon attacks (unless they're excluded from that feat, such as with Power Attack). Weapon Focus (ray) doesn't apply to mystic bolts, but a warlock can take Weapon Focus (mystic bolt) and apply it to both melee and ranged mystic bolts.

It don't say it is a touch attack anywhere, AFAIK.

He can choose to make some of them touch attacks
Piercing Bolts (Ex)

D20PSRD wrote:

At 3rd level, the warlock can choose one mystic bolt per round to be a touch attack. This turns a melee mystic bolt into a melee touch attack or a ranged mystic bolt into a ranged touch attack. At 5th level, the warlock can treat all of her mystic bolts as touch attacks.

This ability replaces unshakable.

and that will remove the ability to use both feats:

- deadly aim because it don't apply to touch attacks;
- Rapid shot because it isn't a ranged weapon anymore. It is a ranged touch attack.


Which... is what I said? He has to choose not to make them touch attacks to gain the added damage.

It's my understanding that Rapid Shot should be fine, though. They're still weapon attacks even if they are touch attacks, like firearms.


Diego Rossi wrote:

and that will remove the ability to use both feats:

- deadly aim because it don't apply to touch attacks;
- Rapid shot because it isn't a ranged weapon anymore. It is a ranged touch attack.

I would think that it always counts as a weapon, because if treating it as a touch attack removed your ability to treat it as a weapon, you wouldn't even be able to full attack with it in the first place, and thus the level 5 part of that ability would be useless. So rapid shot should still work, as well as two-weapon fighting, or any other ability or effect dependent on weapons, including the ability to make iterative attacks in the first place.

Designer

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Sundakan wrote:
Always use the most up to date information.

Sundakan has it right; that was for the playtest. Logan crunched the math and put out a version that would work well with allowing Rapid Shot because it seemed more fun than having to restrict.

Liberty's Edge

Yeah. Rapid Shot and TWF both work, and indeed are both necessary to make using Mystic Bolts a viable combat style, along with Arcane Striker.

Deadly Aim is not a good plan, since you need the attacks to be vs. touch AC for the fighting style to be a really good idea.

Liberty's Edge

Saethori wrote:

Which... is what I said? He has to choose not to make them touch attacks to gain the added damage.

It's my understanding that Rapid Shot should be fine, though. They're still weapon attacks even if they are touch attacks, like firearms.

To me "you can choose to make it a touch attack" is very different from "you can choose not to make it a touch attack".

The default is a normal attack, if you want to make it a touch attack you should declare it. written your way the default is the touch attack.

Silver Crusade

Thanks Diego Rossi, I will remember that.

And thanks of all.

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