Hi there!
So I was wondering something regarding the feat Improved Feat and the Vigilante Talent "Cunning Feint".
For reference, here are both of them.
Benefit: You can make a Bluff check to feint in combat as a move action.Normal: Feinting in combat is a standard action.
Cunning Feint (Ex): The vigilante can feint as a move action or in place of his first attack during a full attack. At 8th level, when the vigilante successfully feints, the opponent is denied its Dexterity bonus to AC against all attacks until the vigilante’s next turn.
So both grant you the ability to feint as a move action and Cunning Feint actually states the effect of a successfull feint but slightly different from the description of Feint in the Bluff Skill description.
You can also use Bluff to feint in combat, causing your opponent to be denied his Dexterity bonus to his AC against your next attack. The DC of this check is equal to 10 + your opponent’s base attack bonus + your opponent’s Wisdom modifier. If your opponent is trained in Sense Motive, the DC is instead equal to 10 + your opponent’s Sense Motive bonus, if higher. For more information on feinting in combat, see Combat.Action: Feinting in combat is a standard action.
Retry? Yes. You can attempt to feint against someone again if you fail.
The difference would be "all attacks" vs "next attack".
So what I would like to know are three things.
1: Do they stack?
If so then
2: Both indicate that I can feint as a move action, if I have both can I feint as a swift action?
3: Do all my attacks get the benefit of my target missing his dex to ac or just my next attack?
Thanks for helping :D
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No.
They both let you do a feint as a move action, with Cunning Feint being better. In the cases where an ability/feat lets you decrease the time needed to use an action it specifically calls out if having something else will decrease it even further.
Neither of these abilities suggest anything of the sort. Cunning Feint is just an improved Improved Feint that is unique to Vigilantes.
1: No
2: No, Both let you Feint as a move action, however Cunning Feint(EX) gives additional benefits making IF useless to you. And having both means you just have 2 different ways of doing the same thing as a move action.
3: If you have Cunning Feint and successfully feint, your enemy is denied there Dex to AC against all attacks until the start of your next turn. This is not only your attacks but any one who attacks the target until the beginning of your turn. Based on the FAQ only melee attacks count, all ranged attacks against the target will still get the Dex to AC
Taking Improved Feint and Greater Feint is worthless since Cunning Feint includes the benefits of both feats and still adds in some extra.