Raging Studied Combat?


Rules Questions


How would a Barbarian's RAGE interact with an Investigator's STUDIED COMBAT?

I'm thinking an investigator with a barbarian dip, would these abilities work together?


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While in rage, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.

I guess studying opponents requires concentration and patience :S But this would be up to the GM I think.

Maybe consider Urban Barbarian?
They can use DEX/INT/CHA skills while raging. However it does not say they can use abilities that require concentration. Not sure if that was intentional or simply forgotten. But if it comes down to a GM decision it would add to your chances I think.

Sovereign Court

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It's a Exceptional ability and those don't require concentration unless they specifically say so.

As for requiring patience: it takes somewhere between a swift and a move action to do, altogether 3 seconds or less. It takes as much time as standing up from prone or drawing a weapon, and I've never seen anyone try to argue that Rage makes you too impatient for that and that you should just make untrained unarmed strikes from prone. So I don't think it requires patience.

Finally, it's not a skill.

So, there's nothing stopping you.


Thanks for the responses guys.

Honestly I could see it going either way, that's why I posted here.

After a night to ponder, my thoughts are that Studied Combat is essentially the Investigator's version of Sneak Attack, so unless a rage would deny a Sneak Attack it probably wouldn't deny Studied Combat.

Thoughts?

(Rage doesn't deny sneak attack right? That would seem kinda silly, but maybe I missed something? =P )

Sovereign Court

Rage denies only the things it explicitly denies. That's a lot less than some people think at first glance.

If it's any comfort to you flavour-wise, when my investigator goes into combat mode, his mutagen drops his Int for Strength and the voice becomes a bit more Schwarzenegger-like, and people start dying left and right. You shouldn't think about investigators as dainty butterflies only; some of them are vicious people who'll investigate their way through your vital organs in alphabetical order with longspears or claw/claw/bite/gore routines.

Dark Archive

Oh no, someone reskinned the barbarian sneak attack thread.


Ascalaphus wrote:
You shouldn't think about investigators as dainty butterflies only

Yeah I'm thinking a Half Orc Investigator with a Barbarian dip for proficiencies & situational rage (& fast movement). Just checking it works.

Mergy wrote:
Oh no, someone reskinned the barbarian sneak attack thread.

Lol, I didn't even think to look that up. I guess I should expect it's been asked at some point.

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