Can Spellcasting Contract give Constant SLA's?


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See the title of the thread.

As an example, most powerful creatures have some sort of SLA labeled under 'Constant'. (Like a Solar, who has detect evil, detect snares and pits, discern lies, and true seeing all listed as constant). Spellcasting Contract says that it functions like Imbue with Spell Ability, but that the receiver may have more than one use of the SLA determined by the arrangements made when the spell is cast.

Scarab Sages

No. You cannot use Spellcasting Contract to receive constant SLAs from a creature with them because imbue with spell ability works only for prepared spells, not SLAs.
Even if it were possible, the creature with the SLAs would need to cast the Spellcasting Contract on you, not the other way around. You would be the receiver of the contract.


Maybe my original post was unclear. I'm not asking if a Solar could cast this spell and give one of his constant SLA's, I was asking if a Cleric could cast this and grant a spell to the target as an always-on SLA. The example used was merely to show that some creatures have SLA's that are constant.


Cagey Bee wrote:
Maybe my original post was unclear. I'm not asking if a Solar could cast this spell and give one of his constant SLA's, I was asking if a Cleric could cast this and grant a spell to the target as an always-on SLA. The example used was merely to show that some creatures have SLA's that are constant.

No... because no spell a Cleric can prepare operates that way. Clerics can not bestow orisons with Imbue with Spell Ability.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Cagey Bee wrote:
Maybe my original post was unclear. I'm not asking if a Solar could cast this spell and give one of his constant SLA's, I was asking if a Cleric could cast this and grant a spell to the target as an always-on SLA. The example used was merely to show that some creatures have SLA's that are constant.
No... because no spell a Cleric can prepare operates that way. Clerics can not bestow orisons with Imbue with Spell Ability.

Thats not what I'm asking, either. My question isn't about Imbue with SLA, it's about Spellcasting Contract, which is drastically altered from Imbue. Spellcasting Contract says that the SLAs given are not limited to 1 use/day. It provides no limit to how many times the SLA can be used. That is where my question comes in. If someone could (essentially) have an at-will SLA, then is it possible to receive a SLA that is a constant benefit, like the ones that powerful beings have? That is what I'm asking.

Scarab Sages

Cagey Bee wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Cagey Bee wrote:
Maybe my original post was unclear. I'm not asking if a Solar could cast this spell and give one of his constant SLA's, I was asking if a Cleric could cast this and grant a spell to the target as an always-on SLA. The example used was merely to show that some creatures have SLA's that are constant.
No... because no spell a Cleric can prepare operates that way. Clerics can not bestow orisons with Imbue with Spell Ability.
Thats not what I'm asking, either. My question isn't about Imbue with SLA, it's about Spellcasting Contract, which is drastically altered from Imbue. Spellcasting Contract says that the SLAs given are not limited to 1 use/day. It provides no limit to how many times the SLA can be used. That is where my question comes in. If someone could (essentially) have an at-will SLA, then is it possible to receive a SLA that is a constant benefit, like the ones that powerful beings have? That is what I'm asking.

I think you are misreading the spell.

"The contract may be as simple as allowing the target one casting of each of the imbued spells (as per imbue with spell ability), or may continue for multiple days or even indefinitely, with the target regaining use of the imbued spells when you next prepare your own spells. "

The indefinitely does not affect how many times per day. That is to tell you the contract could last forever. But you still have the limitation of 2 first level spells and 1 second level spell for a 5HD or more creature per day.


Cagey Bee wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Cagey Bee wrote:
Maybe my original post was unclear. I'm not asking if a Solar could cast this spell and give one of his constant SLA's, I was asking if a Cleric could cast this and grant a spell to the target as an always-on SLA. The example used was merely to show that some creatures have SLA's that are constant.
No... because no spell a Cleric can prepare operates that way. Clerics can not bestow orisons with Imbue with Spell Ability.
Thats not what I'm asking, either. My question isn't about Imbue with SLA, it's about Spellcasting Contract, which is drastically altered from Imbue. Spellcasting Contract says that the SLAs given are not limited to 1 use/day. It provides no limit to how many times the SLA can be used. That is where my question comes in. If someone could (essentially) have an at-will SLA, then is it possible to receive a SLA that is a constant benefit, like the ones that powerful beings have? That is what I'm asking.
They're answering your question. Spellcasting Contract says
Spellcasting Contract wrote:
This spell functions exactly like imbue with spell ability, except that you can imbue the target with any spell you have prepared (instead of just abjuration, divination, or conjuration [healing] spells) and the target may have more than one use of the imbued spells, depending upon the arrangements made when it is cast.

When you cast this spell you are just giving someone else the ability to cast your spells. That is all. Spellcasting Contract just changes what spells you can transfer and how many, it does not grant you the ability to give them spells you can't cast, don't have, or never had. You sacrifice some of your prepared spell slots to let someone else cast them. Spellcasting Contract just lets you do it with more, for longer, as long as they sell their soul to the devil.


Lorewalker wrote:
Cagey Bee wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Cagey Bee wrote:
Maybe my original post was unclear. I'm not asking if a Solar could cast this spell and give one of his constant SLA's, I was asking if a Cleric could cast this and grant a spell to the target as an always-on SLA. The example used was merely to show that some creatures have SLA's that are constant.
No... because no spell a Cleric can prepare operates that way. Clerics can not bestow orisons with Imbue with Spell Ability.
Thats not what I'm asking, either. My question isn't about Imbue with SLA, it's about Spellcasting Contract, which is drastically altered from Imbue. Spellcasting Contract says that the SLAs given are not limited to 1 use/day. It provides no limit to how many times the SLA can be used. That is where my question comes in. If someone could (essentially) have an at-will SLA, then is it possible to receive a SLA that is a constant benefit, like the ones that powerful beings have? That is what I'm asking.
I think you are misreading the spell.
He's actually not.
Spellcasting Contract wrote:
This spell functions exactly like imbue with spell ability, except that you can imbue the target with any spell you have prepared (instead of just abjuration, divination, or conjuration [healing] spells) and the target may have more than one use of the imbued spells, depending upon the arrangements made when it is cast.

My emphasis. The spell clearly states that the guy getting the SLA's can use it more than once per day if that's what's agreed on. RAW, there's no limit.

As for the original question: Can someone sell their soul for constant True Seeing? Yes. I would say absolutely. Would I allow it at my table? Depends on the circumstance, but I would probably lean more towards no.

Scarab Sages

Fentomy wrote:
Lorewalker wrote:
Cagey Bee wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Cagey Bee wrote:
Maybe my original post was unclear. I'm not asking if a Solar could cast this spell and give one of his constant SLA's, I was asking if a Cleric could cast this and grant a spell to the target as an always-on SLA. The example used was merely to show that some creatures have SLA's that are constant.
No... because no spell a Cleric can prepare operates that way. Clerics can not bestow orisons with Imbue with Spell Ability.
Thats not what I'm asking, either. My question isn't about Imbue with SLA, it's about Spellcasting Contract, which is drastically altered from Imbue. Spellcasting Contract says that the SLAs given are not limited to 1 use/day. It provides no limit to how many times the SLA can be used. That is where my question comes in. If someone could (essentially) have an at-will SLA, then is it possible to receive a SLA that is a constant benefit, like the ones that powerful beings have? That is what I'm asking.
I think you are misreading the spell.
He's actually not.
Spellcasting Contract wrote:
This spell functions exactly like imbue with spell ability, except that you can imbue the target with any spell you have prepared (instead of just abjuration, divination, or conjuration [healing] spells) and the target may have more than one use of the imbued spells, depending upon the arrangements made when it is cast.

My emphasis. The spell clearly states that the guy getting the SLA's can use it more than once per day if that's what's agreed on. RAW, there's no limit.

As for the original question: Can someone sell their soul for constant True Seeing? Yes. I would say absolutely. Would I allow it at my table? Depends on the circumstance, but I would probably lean more towards no.

Yes, he is. And now so are you. That text there is a general synopsis of the spell. The next paragraph explains how it works.

"Casting this spell requires a contract between you and the target, explaining what spells are to be imbued and the circumstances that cause the contract to expire. The contract may be as simple as allowing the target one casting of each of the imbued spells (as per imbue with spell ability), or may continue for multiple days or even indefinitely, with the target regaining use of the imbued spells when you next prepare your own spells. You may include any proviso you see ft, such as requiring the target to pray to Asmodeus each morning, or restricting the target to only casting the imbued spells on himself. If the target does not agree to all the conditions in the contract, this spell fails when cast. The contract (and this spell) automatically expires if you or the target dies. While the contract remains in effect, you gain a profane bonus to your Armor Class, saving throws, and checks equal to the highest- level spell you have imbued."

The part I highlighted makes it clear that they use up the spell when they cast it and it must be refreshed.

The only way to give more than 1 casting per day(or, really, per contractors spell preparation) is if the contractor gives up two castings of the same spell.

The spell literally transfers your filled spell casting slots to another. You can no longer use those slots as they are transferred, and the one it is transferred to may only use them in the same way you would have been able to.


I had a huge thing typed out but I got ninja'd. Thanks Fentomy that was exactly what I was trying to say.


Spellcasting Contract dose not give multiple uses per day. It give the use of the imbued spell or spells each day that the contract is still valid. Imbue with Spell Ability only give access to the imbued spell or spells for minutes. So if the Imbued used one of the spells it was givin, the next time you renew your spells, there spell is also renewed.


It make for a cool NPC to be under so many contracts that they have no usable slots, it's all contracted out.


Ah.... I see. I was unaware that ISA didn't allow more than one casting. That does change things.


Blindmage wrote:
It make for a cool NPC to be under so many contracts that they have no usable slots, it's all contracted out.

Makes for an NPC who's clearly asking to be taken out.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Blindmage wrote:
It make for a cool NPC to be under so many contracts that they have no usable slots, it's all contracted out.
Makes for an NPC who's clearly asking to be taken out.

Unless he's under that kind of load from a Geas, or other reason, perhaps even as a service, or punishment.

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