Touch spells and holding a charge


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if you cast a touch spell in say round 1 and choose to hold said spell until round 2 where you discharge it, can you then cast a new touch spell in round 2?

The Exchange

Only if the second spell is quickened. The touch is only free in the round the spell is cast. Otherwise, it is a standard action.

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Krieg Ironsmite wrote:

if you cast a touch spell in say round 1 and choose to hold said spell until round 2 where you discharge it, can you then cast a new touch spell in round 2?

Yes, if you're a Magus using spell combat (attack first to discharge the spell, then cast a new one). If you're not, then normally both the attack-to-discharge and the spell are a standard action.


Only if you can find the actions to both deliver the touch spell (the free touch attack has to happen on the turn you cast it, but you might get an opportunity attack or something) AND cast a second spell.

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Mystic Madness wrote:
Only if the second spell is quickened. The touch is only free in the round the spell is cast. Otherwise, it is a standard action.

Or if something else touches the part of you holding the charge. Charges are discharged the moment the part holding it touches something else. Touch attacks are not required.

"If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates."

That means if you hold a charge in your hand and then wield a two handed sword, the charge discharges into the sword. Pointlessly if it can not target objects.

So, if someone touches your hand off of your turn for any reason and that hand holds the charge... they get hit with the spell. Or, if you attack someone with claws and one of the claws holds the charge and it hits, your charged appendage touched your opponent and the spell discharges. This can happen as part of an AOO, thus not being a standard action.

But usually, yes, it will be a standard action to discharge the spell as a purposeful attack.


So far we have four possibilities.

In round 1, cast the spell and hold the charge. Then...

(1) In round 2, use a standard action to deliver the held charge, and then a swift action to cast a quickened touch spell.

(2) In round 2, use Spell Combat (Magus only) resolving the attacks first (hopefully discharging the held charge) and resolving the casting of a touch spell at the end.

(3) Discharge the spell by making an Attack of Opportunity out of turn. Then in round 2 cast a touch spell.

(4) Hope that someone accidentally causes you to discharge the spell into them out of your turn so you can cast a touch spell in round 2.

All four seem to be legitimate to me, although some are very reliant on chance. I'll add a fifth.

(5) Let your Familiar go first in initiative order so it can use a standard action to deliver the held charge. Then on your second round cast a touch spell.

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