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This Aristocratic Demon Wizardress has the following text. "Before you act, if there are any other open locations, Vellexia is undefeated"

So my question, since temporary closes occur before the phasing player encounters the card, do temp closes count as closing locations for the above?

PS. this scenario is really brutal in 6 player! I thought I was doing quite well and then realized I was down to the last turn for everyone with three locations still open !


Temp closing attempts when you encounter a villain is the first think that happens.
"Before you act" stuff comes after.
And temp closing indeed makes the location non open (I like those sentences).

So IMHO Vellexia is undefeated if there is at least one non-closed and non-temp-closed location.


I'd agree, temporarily closed locations do not count as open locations. Here is why:

WotR Rulebook p17 wrote:
Check to See Whether the Villain Escapes. If any locations are not closed, the villain escapes. If you defeated the villain, count the number of open locations, subtract 1, and retrieve that number of random blessings from the box.

When you count open locations for the villain escaping, you don't count temporarily closed locations. So I wouldn't count them here either.


Well that's good (or not) I still have to get 5 Blessings in 3 player turns. Wish me luck!


Pulled it off! With Alain temp closing the marketplace snagging Armor after Armor, I was able to pile in with Balazar, Seelah, and Kyra and over the course of three turns accumulate the six blessings required.

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Sorry: "Temporarily closing a location only prevents the villain from escaping there during this encounter; it does not trigger any of the other effects of closing a location."


So in effect the location is Open from Vellexia's point of view


OK I was wrong and led Hawk to a trap. Ouch!!!!

Some various impacts of the rules (thanks Vic for reminding us):

Altogether "when closing" should have been written "when permanently closing" from day one to be clearer because obviously this paragraph of location cards do not apply to temp closing.

If you encounter a villain and a character temp closes a location, if during the encounter with the villain you are required to select an open location (for example a card has to be shuffled in an open location), the "temp closed location" is considered as open.

Temp closing locations facing Vellexia is still efficient because it will reduce the Blessings you'll lose from the Blessing deck and you'll get a better idea where she is next but won't help defeating.


Are you maybe referring to "When Permanently CLOSED" which already uses Permanently? 'coz "When Closing" very much applies to Temporary closes, given it's the thing you have to do to temporarily close it.

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