Vital Strike Tiefling

[Covent]

Been Looking at a large sword wielding build, I know the druid ooze build is better, but just trying this out. Any advice is appreciated.

Demon Spawn Tiefling (Oversized Limbs)
Abyssal Bloodrager
Str: 16 + 2 Racial = 18
Dex: 10
Con: 14
Wis: 10
Int: 10 - 2 Racial = 8
Chr: 14 + 2 Racial = 16

1: Fiendish Heritage
3: Power Attack-(Retrain 300 gp)-> Furious Focus
5: Furious Focus-(Retrain 300 gp)->Arcane Strike
6: Power Attack
7: Vital Strike

Greatsword 2d6-->Tiefling(Oversized Limbs) 3d6-->Demonic Bulk 4d6-->Animal Aspect (Gorilla) 6d6-->Vital Strike 12d6

So at level 7 when vital strike comes online while raging.

Gear at 6 (23,500): +1 Greatsword (2,350), +2 Cloak of Resistance (4,000), +2 Mithral Breastplate (8,350), +1 Ring of Protection (2,000), +1 Amulet of Natural Armor (2,000), +2 Strength Belt (4,000), + 2 retrainings (600) = 23,300

Str= 18 (base) + 4 (Rage) + 1 (Level) + 2 (Enlarge Person) + 2 (Belt)= 27 = +8

To Hit: 7 (BaB) + 8 (Strength) + 1 (Weapon) -1 (Size) = +15
Damage: 12 (2-handing Strength) + 6 (Power Attack) + 1 (weapon) + 2 (Arcane Strike) = 21

DPR Without Vital Strike (AC 20): ((0.80*42) +(0.80*42*1*0.1))+((0.55*42)+(0.55*42*1*0.1))= (33.6 + 3.36) + (23.1 + 2.31)= 36.96 + 25.41= 62.37 DPR

DPR With Vital Strike (AC 20): ((0.80*63) +(0.80*63*1*0.1))= (50.4 + 5.04) = 55.44 DPR

Loss of DPR is 6.93.

However you maintain your mobility. I will pick up the Impact property when it becomes available.

Greatsword 2d6-->Tiefling(Oversized Limbs) 3d6-->Demonic Bulk 4d6-->Animal Aspect (Gorilla) 6d6-->Impact 8d6-->Vital Strike 16d6

Also when Improved Vital Strike comes online it should get better. What do you all think?

[Avoron]

Animal Aspect only increases your unarmed damage die, not your weapon attacks.

Tieflings have a spectacular option for Vital Strike builds, if your GM allows it.

Non-Human Tieflings wrote:

Other humanoids see tieflings in their midst as well. Many of the monstrous races of the world have demonic origins... In game terms, the difference between non-human tieflings and human tieflings is purely a matter of size. Unless they have specific tiefling-related size modifiers, the tieflings of each of these races are the same size as their non-fiendish ancestors. They gain any of the bonuses or penalties related to that size, but gain no racial bonuses except those of the tiefling; beyond size, their humanoid ancestry is purely cosmetic.

If possible, it would be spectacular to be descended from a race of larger humanoids - anything from ogres (which are specifically mentioned as options) to rune giants (which reach into the realm of ridiculous).

[Heretek]

You don't need Fiendish Heritage, taking Oversized Limbs is purely a DM choice. Fiendish Heritage is an old feat that was replaced when Paizo updated things, like Asmodean Paladins were also retconned out.

[Covent]

Avoron wrote:

Animal Aspect only increases your unarmed damage die, not your weapon attacks.

Tieflings have a spectacular option for Vital Strike builds, if your GM allows it.

Non-Human Tieflings wrote:

Other humanoids see tieflings in their midst as well. Many of the monstrous races of the world have demonic origins... In game terms, the difference between non-human tieflings and human tieflings is purely a matter of size. Unless they have specific tiefling-related size modifiers, the tieflings of each of these races are the same size as their non-fiendish ancestors. They gain any of the bonuses or penalties related to that size, but gain no racial bonuses except those of the tiefling; beyond size, their humanoid ancestry is purely cosmetic.

If possible, it would be spectacular to be descended from a race of larger humanoids - anything from ogres (which are specifically mentioned as options) to rune giants (which reach into the realm of ridiculous).

Thank you for the correction. Guess I would need some way to access Lead Blades.

The non-human only helps me if I start Huge however, as I already am using a Large sized greatsword base and oversized limbs specifically calls out large and not one size larger.

I appreciate the feedback though. Gonna have to try and get lead blades or another size increase as without 6d6 VS is not really even close.

[My Self]

Perhaps instead of a greatsword, you pick up an oversized bastard sword? Remember to get Effortless Lace if you go the oversized weapon route.

I assume you're trying to get Blooded Arcane Strike eventually.

[Heretek]

My Self wrote:

Perhaps instead of a greatsword, you pick up an oversized bastard sword? Remember to get Effortless Lace if you go the oversized weapon route.

I assume you're trying to get Blooded Arcane Strike eventually.

He gets nothing out of using a bastard sword over the greatsword though? He doesn't need a free hand or anything.

[My Self]

Heretek wrote:

My Self wrote:

Perhaps instead of a greatsword, you pick up an oversized bastard sword? Remember to get Effortless Lace if you go the oversized weapon route.

I assume you're trying to get Blooded Arcane Strike eventually.

He gets nothing out of using a bastard sword over the greatsword though? He doesn't need a free hand or anything.

You'd be using an oversize bastard sword. Depending on your exact interpretation of the Tiefling alternate racial trait, you should be able to use a mega-oversize bastard sword.

Tiefling wrote:

You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.

I'd assume that this assumes you are a medium creature. Just RAW, it only allows you to use Large weapons, and has no provisions for you increasing or decreasing in size. However, reasonably speaking, it probably is intended to allow you to use oversize weapons without penalty. From this, I would interpret it as allowing you to use weapons one size category large than you normally could.

A medium greatsword (2 handed for a medium person) does 2d6, a large bastard sword (also 2 handed) does 2d8. Effectively +1 damage per die, if you're willing to invest in the effortless lace and the weapon proficiency.

[Avoron]

If you interpret the tiefling's ability literally, it doesn't combine with Demonic Bulk anyway.

[Covent]

So new idea

Demon Spawn Tiefling (Oversized Limbs)
Abyssal Bloodrager
Str: 16 + 2 Racial = 18
Dex: 10
Con: 14
Wis: 10
Int: 10 - 2 Racial = 8
Chr: 14 + 2 Racial = 16

1: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword)
3: Power Attack-(Retrain 300 gp)-> Furious Focus
5: Furious Focus-(Retrain 300 gp)->Arcane Strike
6: Power Attack
7: Vital Strike or Weapon Focus

Bastard Sword 1d10-->Tiefling(Oversized Limbs, Large) 2d8-->Huge Bastard Sword (Two Handed, Effortless lace) 3d8-->Demonic Bulk 4d8-->Vital Strike 8d8

So at level 7 when vital strike comes online while raging.

Gear at 6 (23,500): +1 Greatsword (2,335), +1 Cloak of Resistance (1,000), +2 Mithral Breastplate (8,350), +1 Ring of Protection (2,000), +1 Amulet of Natural Armor (2,000), +2 Strength Belt (4,000), + 2 retrainings (600), Effortless Lace (2,500) = 22,785

Str= 18 (base) + 4 (Rage) + 1 (Level) + 2 (Enlarge Person) + 2 (Belt)= 27 = +8

To Hit: 7 (BaB) + 8 (Strength) + 1 (Weapon) -1 (Size) = +15 or +1 Weapon Focus= +16

Damage: 12 (2-handing Strength) + 6 (Power Attack) + 1 (weapon) + 2 (Arcane Strike) = 21

DPR Without Vital Strike (AC 20): ((0.85*39) +(0.85*39*1*0.1))+((0.60*39)+(0.60*39*1*0.1))= (33.15 + 3.315) + (23.4 + 2.34)= 36.465 + 25.74= 62.205 DPR

DPR With Vital Strike (AC 20): ((0.80*57) +(0.80*57*1*0.1))= (45.6 + 4.56) = 50.16 DPR

Loss of DPR is 12.045.

However you maintain your mobility. I will pick up the Impact property when it becomes available.

Bastard Sword 1d10-->Tiefling(Oversized Limbs, Large) 2d8-->Huge Bastard Sword (Two Handed, Effortless lace) 3d8-->Demonic Bulk 4d8-->Impact 6d8-->Vital Strike 12d8