Kalindlara Contributor |
Mark Seifter Designer |
Dragon78 wrote:So I take it that the six spirits are based on the 6 ability scores?From what I heard, they're based on the six mythic paths. While I liked the Harrow idea, I'm actually way more excited for this new approach. ^_^
Secret fact: Each mythic path is sort of based on an ability score too, if you look at it right. See if you can figure out a mapping!
Mark Seifter Designer |
Mark Seifter Designer |
Jason budgeted out 60% of the pages of the ACG class section since 6 classes is 60% of 10. Of course, the ACG had classes like the brawler and the slayer that took almost no space, so that math didn't work out. The other alternative was to have all 54 spirits, but make them have fewer and more boring (due to wordcount) abilities, and then cut a bunch of kineticist wild talents. The new medium is actually super cool, though different, so with the other version still out there for a later book, it's like the best of both worlds!
Mark Seifter Designer |
If the medium is now based on "mythic paths", can you still play it without knowing anything about Mythic Adventures?
Yes. Knowing about mythic won't really help you at all, other than knowing the names of the 6 paths. There's a lot of thematic synergy that a mythic player will notice, but it's totally unnecessary to play the class.
Blackwaltzomega |
Kalindlara wrote:Secret fact: Each mythic path is sort of based on an ability score too, if you look at it right. See if you can figure out a mapping!Dragon78 wrote:So I take it that the six spirits are based on the 6 ability scores?From what I heard, they're based on the six mythic paths. While I liked the Harrow idea, I'm actually way more excited for this new approach. ^_^
If I was to take a guess...
-Champion: Strength focus
-Trickster: Dexterity focus
-Guardian: Constitution focus
-Archmage: Intelligence focus
-Hierophant: Wisdom focus
-Marshal: Charisma focus
Still, interested to hear this development. Six foci to build around is a lot less of a headache than 54, to be sure...
Of course, everything in Occult Adventures is taking a backseat to Kineticist hype for me. C'mon, Paizo, BWO needs fuel to rain air and lightning on foolish monsters from the sky all day...
Mark Seifter Designer |
Mark Seifter wrote:Kalindlara wrote:Secret fact: Each mythic path is sort of based on an ability score too, if you look at it right. See if you can figure out a mapping!Dragon78 wrote:So I take it that the six spirits are based on the 6 ability scores?From what I heard, they're based on the six mythic paths. While I liked the Harrow idea, I'm actually way more excited for this new approach. ^_^If I was to take a guess...
-Champion: Strength focus
-Trickster: Dexterity focus
-Guardian: Constitution focus
-Archmage: Intelligence focus
-Hierophant: Wisdom focus
-Marshal: Charisma focusStill, interested to hear this development. Six foci to build around is a lot less of a headache than 54, to be sure...
Of course, everything in Occult Adventures is taking a backseat to Kineticist hype for me. C'mon, Paizo, BWO needs fuel to rain air and lightning on foolish monsters from the sky all day...
Whether it's new wild talents, archetypes, or whatever cool kineticist stuff you're looking for, Occult Adventures will not disappoint!
Mark Seifter Designer |
Mark Seifter Designer |
The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?
Yup, big time. You could, for instance, go trickster three days in a row, with different legendary tricksters as your inspiration (maybe a legendary cat burglar, a legendary con artist, and a legendary trapsmith) and become awesome at completely different skills!
Dale McCoy Jr President, Jon Brazer Enterprises |
Has it been revealed what kind of kineticist(aether, pyro, etc.) the kineticist iconic is?
While I am not going to outright say since it was massively obvious at the art preview showed the kid holding her own against the breath weapon of a [redacted] dragon, I will say the best hint is in the image in this tweet.
Mark Seifter Designer |
Dragon78 wrote:Has it been revealed what kind of kineticist(aether, pyro, etc.) the kineticist iconic is?While I am not going to outright say since it was massively obvious at the art preview showed the kid holding her own against the breath weapon of a [redacted] dragon, I will say the best hint is in the image in this tweet.
Yeah, I heard the art panel had the best spoilers of anywhere!
Kevin Mack |
Dragon78 wrote:Has it been revealed what kind of kineticist(aether, pyro, etc.) the kineticist iconic is?While I am not going to outright say since it was massively obvious at the art preview showed the kid holding her own against the breath weapon of a [redacted] dragon, I will say the best hint is in the image in this tweet.
Gah what I wouldent give for a clear picture.
Dale McCoy Jr President, Jon Brazer Enterprises |
Dale McCoy Jr President, Jon Brazer Enterprises |
Dale McCoy Jr President, Jon Brazer Enterprises |
Did I miss anything?
Those were the big announcements, yes. I didn't hear anything about the player's companion nor campaign setting lines. Well, we did hear some about inner sea races, but I am blanking on what at the moment. There were announcements about the adventure card game and pathfinder society but I wasn't paying attention during those parts. Obsidian showed off their adventure card game computer/tablet game, which I pay attention to either. There was this trailer for pathfinder online.
Dale McCoy Jr President, Jon Brazer Enterprises |
Arachnofiend |
Milo v3 wrote:The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?Yup, big time. You could, for instance, go trickster three days in a row, with different legendary tricksters as your inspiration (maybe a legendary cat burglar, a legendary con artist, and a legendary trapsmith) and become awesome at completely different skills!
Is the Cricket still a thing in some way with the new Medium? Being able to run a viable Spring Attack build was one of the cool things about the original version of the class.
Mark Seifter Designer |
Mark Seifter wrote:Is the Cricket still a thing in some way with the new Medium? Being able to run a viable Spring Attack build was one of the cool things about the original version of the class.Milo v3 wrote:The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?Yup, big time. You could, for instance, go trickster three days in a row, with different legendary tricksters as your inspiration (maybe a legendary cat burglar, a legendary con artist, and a legendary trapsmith) and become awesome at completely different skills!
One of the key features in the new medium build is that it doesn't use any of the previous spirits, meaning all 54 are untouched and ready for their debut basically whenever we can find a good place for the "Harrowed medium."
Serisan |
Arachnofiend wrote:One of the key features in the new medium build is that it doesn't use any of the previous spirits, meaning all 54 are untouched and ready for their debut basically whenever we can find a good place for the "Harrowed medium."Mark Seifter wrote:Is the Cricket still a thing in some way with the new Medium? Being able to run a viable Spring Attack build was one of the cool things about the original version of the class.Milo v3 wrote:The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?Yup, big time. You could, for instance, go trickster three days in a row, with different legendary tricksters as your inspiration (maybe a legendary cat burglar, a legendary con artist, and a legendary trapsmith) and become awesome at completely different skills!
My hope is that it comes out fast because I don't think my concept for the playtest character holds up with the new model.
graywulfe |
xevious573 wrote:So are going from 54 spirits to 6 spirits? O.oThe OA medium class will have 6 spirits, but then we can put out another thing with all the 54 (which I've already written).
I was really disappointed when I figured out thet the # of spirits would likely be reduced to 6. Now that I have read this I am okay, because I really liked the synchronicity of using the Harrow cards.
:)
Malwing |
Sad to see the 54 spirits go but if each of the six spirits has a wide range then I guess it's fine. I understand you the page count problem but some will interpret this as holding back on product that already exists so you can bleed our wallets with Player Companions and future hardbooks, like downloadable content from videogames or collecting pokemon.
Mark Seifter Designer |
Sad to see the 54 spirits go but if each of the six spirits has a wide range then I guess it's fine. I understand you the page count problem but some will interpret this as holding back on product that already exists so you can bleed our wallets with Player Companions and future hardbooks, like downloadable content from videogames or collecting pokemon.
I mean, the pagecount is the pagecount. The alternative is that the pages just go away forever. No one wants that, I hope!
Serisan |
Malwing wrote:Sad to see the 54 spirits go but if each of the six spirits has a wide range then I guess it's fine. I understand you the page count problem but some will interpret this as holding back on product that already exists so you can bleed our wallets with Player Companions and future hardbooks, like downloadable content from videogames or collecting pokemon.I mean, the pagecount is the pagecount. The alternative is that the pages just go away forever. No one wants that, I hope!
If it really has to end up in another book, this is the most logical one to put it in. I realize that's unlikely, but this is the book that screams "Occult + Inner Sea" in a way that syncs with the Harrow theme of the playtest class.
It's really disappointing to see that the original playtest version is being relegated to an archetype in the hypothetical future.
Mark Seifter Designer |
Mark Seifter wrote:Malwing wrote:Sad to see the 54 spirits go but if each of the six spirits has a wide range then I guess it's fine. I understand you the page count problem but some will interpret this as holding back on product that already exists so you can bleed our wallets with Player Companions and future hardbooks, like downloadable content from videogames or collecting pokemon.I mean, the pagecount is the pagecount. The alternative is that the pages just go away forever. No one wants that, I hope!If it really has to end up in another book, this is the most logical one to put it in. I realize that's unlikely, but this is the book that screams "Occult + Inner Sea" in a way that syncs with the Harrow theme of the playtest class.
It's really disappointing to see that the original playtest version is being relegated to an archetype in the hypothetical future.
Given that the class is basically the length of a player companion (or half the length of a campaign setting), it'll probably be in something more specific, I imagine, where it would make sense for that class to take up so much of the space. That said, I have no insider information about that...yet.
Trust me, not only is it my class; I also wrote all 54 spirits too before the decision, so I've put a lot of time and effort into it. I know how you feel. But looking at the options, it's for the best.
Serisan |
Given that the class is basically the length of a player companion (or half the length of a campaign setting), it'll probably be in something more specific, I imagine, where it would make sense for that class to take up so much of the space. That said, I have no insider information about that...yet.
Trust me, not only is it my class; I also wrote all 54 spirits too before the decision, so I've put a lot of time and effort into it. I know how you feel. But looking at the options, it's for the best.
I get it, Mark. The playtesters could all tell that you put a lot of effort into the class. That's part of the reason that it was fun/exciting to play. It really stretched the system in unique ways.
Make sure to tell Jason that some yahoo in MN wants your Harrowed Medium ASAP. :-)
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