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Dragon78 wrote:
So I take it that the six spirits are based on the 6 ability scores?

From what I heard, they're based on the six mythic paths. While I liked the Harrow idea, I'm actually way more excited for this new approach. ^_^

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Kalindlara wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
So I take it that the six spirits are based on the 6 ability scores?
From what I heard, they're based on the six mythic paths. While I liked the Harrow idea, I'm actually way more excited for this new approach. ^_^

Secret fact: Each mythic path is sort of based on an ability score too, if you look at it right. See if you can figure out a mapping!


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Mark Seifter wrote:

Secret fact: Each mythic path is sort of based on an ability score too, if you look at it right. See if you can figure out a mapping!

Gasp!

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So are going from 54 spirits to 6 spirits? O.o

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xevious573 wrote:
So are going from 54 spirits to 6 spirits? O.o

The OA medium class will have 6 spirits, but then we can put out another thing with all the 54 (which I've already written).


... that's a severe change.

Liberty's Edge

If the medium is now based on "mythic paths", can you still play it without knowing anything about Mythic Adventures?


Other then the Nightmare Dragon what art for B5 was shown that wasn't on the blog?

Designer

Jason budgeted out 60% of the pages of the ACG class section since 6 classes is 60% of 10. Of course, the ACG had classes like the brawler and the slayer that took almost no space, so that math didn't work out. The other alternative was to have all 54 spirits, but make them have fewer and more boring (due to wordcount) abilities, and then cut a bunch of kineticist wild talents. The new medium is actually super cool, though different, so with the other version still out there for a later book, it's like the best of both worlds!

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Samy wrote:
If the medium is now based on "mythic paths", can you still play it without knowing anything about Mythic Adventures?

Yes. Knowing about mythic won't really help you at all, other than knowing the names of the 6 paths. There's a lot of thematic synergy that a mythic player will notice, but it's totally unnecessary to play the class.


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But think of the pig farmers!?! What will they do if they aren't being randomly summoned by mediums?


How many "bloodlines/mysteries" type thing does the psychic get?

Will the "meet the iconics" for the occult classes start anytime soon?


Mark Seifter wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
So I take it that the six spirits are based on the 6 ability scores?
From what I heard, they're based on the six mythic paths. While I liked the Harrow idea, I'm actually way more excited for this new approach. ^_^
Secret fact: Each mythic path is sort of based on an ability score too, if you look at it right. See if you can figure out a mapping!

If I was to take a guess...

-Champion: Strength focus
-Trickster: Dexterity focus
-Guardian: Constitution focus
-Archmage: Intelligence focus
-Hierophant: Wisdom focus
-Marshal: Charisma focus

Still, interested to hear this development. Six foci to build around is a lot less of a headache than 54, to be sure...

Of course, everything in Occult Adventures is taking a backseat to Kineticist hype for me. C'mon, Paizo, BWO needs fuel to rain air and lightning on foolish monsters from the sky all day...


Mr. Seifter what was your favorite artwork for the B5 that was posted on the blog?

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Blackwaltzomega wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
So I take it that the six spirits are based on the 6 ability scores?
From what I heard, they're based on the six mythic paths. While I liked the Harrow idea, I'm actually way more excited for this new approach. ^_^
Secret fact: Each mythic path is sort of based on an ability score too, if you look at it right. See if you can figure out a mapping!

If I was to take a guess...

-Champion: Strength focus
-Trickster: Dexterity focus
-Guardian: Constitution focus
-Archmage: Intelligence focus
-Hierophant: Wisdom focus
-Marshal: Charisma focus

Still, interested to hear this development. Six foci to build around is a lot less of a headache than 54, to be sure...

Of course, everything in Occult Adventures is taking a backseat to Kineticist hype for me. C'mon, Paizo, BWO needs fuel to rain air and lightning on foolish monsters from the sky all day...

Whether it's new wild talents, archetypes, or whatever cool kineticist stuff you're looking for, Occult Adventures will not disappoint!

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Dragon78 wrote:

Mr. Seifter what was your favorite artwork for the B5 that was posted on the blog?

The fastachee amuses me a lot; also Linda wrote it, and it's a funny little guy. Which other ones did we have on the blog again? The dream dragon is a really great piece of art too.


The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?

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Milo v3 wrote:
The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?

Yup, big time. You could, for instance, go trickster three days in a row, with different legendary tricksters as your inspiration (maybe a legendary cat burglar, a legendary con artist, and a legendary trapsmith) and become awesome at completely different skills!


Great to hear.

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To be honest with you the flavour sounds more fitting with channeling and communing with spirits of specific dead people than the previous iteration.

I am excite.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Has it been revealed what kind of kineticist(aether, pyro, etc.) the kineticist iconic is?

While I am not going to outright say since it was massively obvious at the art preview showed the kid holding her own against the breath weapon of a [redacted] dragon, I will say the best hint is in the image in this tweet.

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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Has it been revealed what kind of kineticist(aether, pyro, etc.) the kineticist iconic is?
While I am not going to outright say since it was massively obvious at the art preview showed the kid holding her own against the breath weapon of a [redacted] dragon, I will say the best hint is in the image in this tweet.

Yeah, I heard the art panel had the best spoilers of anywhere!

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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Has it been revealed what kind of kineticist(aether, pyro, etc.) the kineticist iconic is?
While I am not going to outright say since it was massively obvious at the art preview showed the kid holding her own against the breath weapon of a [redacted] dragon, I will say the best hint is in the image in this tweet.

Gah what I wouldent give for a clear picture.

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Mark Seifter wrote:


Yeah, I heard the art panel had the best spoilers of anywhere!

Oh yeah. It was the best. First time I went, but I will be attending at future PaizoCon's.

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Kevin Mack wrote:
Gah what I wouldent give for a clear picture.

Sorry, I was in the back and my camera was on 4x zoom.


So we have an evil themed AP, a new bestiary, an occult bestiary, and a new class(vigilante).
Did I miss anything?


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Will the new Medium still be able to channel multiple spirits at once?


Well other then evil AP, B5, and UI were any books(new or old) that they went into greater detail on at the con?

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wraithstrike wrote:
Did I miss anything?

Those were the big announcements, yes. I didn't hear anything about the player's companion nor campaign setting lines. Well, we did hear some about inner sea races, but I am blanking on what at the moment. There were announcements about the adventure card game and pathfinder society but I wasn't paying attention during those parts. Obsidian showed off their adventure card game computer/tablet game, which I pay attention to either. There was this trailer for pathfinder online.


Whoa, so the binder is back in business!

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Evan Tarlton wrote:
Will the new Medium still be able to channel multiple spirits at once?

*checks magic 8 ball* answer unclear.


Mark Seifter wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?
Yup, big time. You could, for instance, go trickster three days in a row, with different legendary tricksters as your inspiration (maybe a legendary cat burglar, a legendary con artist, and a legendary trapsmith) and become awesome at completely different skills!

Is the Cricket still a thing in some way with the new Medium? Being able to run a viable Spring Attack build was one of the cool things about the original version of the class.

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Arachnofiend wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?
Yup, big time. You could, for instance, go trickster three days in a row, with different legendary tricksters as your inspiration (maybe a legendary cat burglar, a legendary con artist, and a legendary trapsmith) and become awesome at completely different skills!
Is the Cricket still a thing in some way with the new Medium? Being able to run a viable Spring Attack build was one of the cool things about the original version of the class.

One of the key features in the new medium build is that it doesn't use any of the previous spirits, meaning all 54 are untouched and ready for their debut basically whenever we can find a good place for the "Harrowed medium."


Mark Seifter wrote:
Arachnofiend wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
The spirits themselves will still have some options to make up for the lack of spirits wont they?
Yup, big time. You could, for instance, go trickster three days in a row, with different legendary tricksters as your inspiration (maybe a legendary cat burglar, a legendary con artist, and a legendary trapsmith) and become awesome at completely different skills!
Is the Cricket still a thing in some way with the new Medium? Being able to run a viable Spring Attack build was one of the cool things about the original version of the class.
One of the key features in the new medium build is that it doesn't use any of the previous spirits, meaning all 54 are untouched and ready for their debut basically whenever we can find a good place for the "Harrowed medium."

My hope is that it comes out fast because I don't think my concept for the playtest character holds up with the new model.

Liberty's Edge

Mark Seifter wrote:
xevious573 wrote:
So are going from 54 spirits to 6 spirits? O.o
The OA medium class will have 6 spirits, but then we can put out another thing with all the 54 (which I've already written).

I was really disappointed when I figured out thet the # of spirits would likely be reduced to 6. Now that I have read this I am okay, because I really liked the synchronicity of using the Harrow cards.

:)


Sad to see the 54 spirits go but if each of the six spirits has a wide range then I guess it's fine. I understand you the page count problem but some will interpret this as holding back on product that already exists so you can bleed our wallets with Player Companions and future hardbooks, like downloadable content from videogames or collecting pokemon.

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Malwing wrote:
Sad to see the 54 spirits go but if each of the six spirits has a wide range then I guess it's fine. I understand you the page count problem but some will interpret this as holding back on product that already exists so you can bleed our wallets with Player Companions and future hardbooks, like downloadable content from videogames or collecting pokemon.

I mean, the pagecount is the pagecount. The alternative is that the pages just go away forever. No one wants that, I hope!


Mark Seifter wrote:
Malwing wrote:
Sad to see the 54 spirits go but if each of the six spirits has a wide range then I guess it's fine. I understand you the page count problem but some will interpret this as holding back on product that already exists so you can bleed our wallets with Player Companions and future hardbooks, like downloadable content from videogames or collecting pokemon.
I mean, the pagecount is the pagecount. The alternative is that the pages just go away forever. No one wants that, I hope!

If it really has to end up in another book, this is the most logical one to put it in. I realize that's unlikely, but this is the book that screams "Occult + Inner Sea" in a way that syncs with the Harrow theme of the playtest class.

It's really disappointing to see that the original playtest version is being relegated to an archetype in the hypothetical future.


Yeah, 54 spirits was extremely ambitious and I'm not surprised it had to be cut from the hardcover. The Harrow Medium could probably be a player companion unto itself.

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Serisan wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Malwing wrote:
Sad to see the 54 spirits go but if each of the six spirits has a wide range then I guess it's fine. I understand you the page count problem but some will interpret this as holding back on product that already exists so you can bleed our wallets with Player Companions and future hardbooks, like downloadable content from videogames or collecting pokemon.
I mean, the pagecount is the pagecount. The alternative is that the pages just go away forever. No one wants that, I hope!

If it really has to end up in another book, this is the most logical one to put it in. I realize that's unlikely, but this is the book that screams "Occult + Inner Sea" in a way that syncs with the Harrow theme of the playtest class.

It's really disappointing to see that the original playtest version is being relegated to an archetype in the hypothetical future.

Given that the class is basically the length of a player companion (or half the length of a campaign setting), it'll probably be in something more specific, I imagine, where it would make sense for that class to take up so much of the space. That said, I have no insider information about that...yet.

Trust me, not only is it my class; I also wrote all 54 spirits too before the decision, so I've put a lot of time and effort into it. I know how you feel. But looking at the options, it's for the best.


Arachnofiend wrote:
Yeah, 54 spirits was extremely ambitious and I'm not surprised it had to be cut from the hardcover. The Harrow Medium could probably be a player companion unto itself.

That is a fair observation.


Mark Seifter wrote:


Given that the class is basically the length of a player companion (or half the length of a campaign setting), it'll probably be in something more specific, I imagine, where it would make sense for that class to take up so much of the space. That said, I have no insider information about that...yet.

Trust me, not only is it my class; I also wrote all 54 spirits too before the decision, so I've put a lot of time and effort into it. I know how you feel. But looking at the options, it's for the best.

I get it, Mark. The playtesters could all tell that you put a lot of effort into the class. That's part of the reason that it was fun/exciting to play. It really stretched the system in unique ways.

Make sure to tell Jason that some yahoo in MN wants your Harrowed Medium ASAP. :-)


How do I find out more on the vigilante?

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master_marshmallow wrote:
How do I find out more on the vigilante?

Watch the boards for playtest announcements. :D


Liz Courts wrote:
master_marshmallow wrote:
How do I find out more on the vigilante?
Watch the boards for playtest announcements. :D

I intend to, do we have any sort of time frame?

Grand Lodge

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Jason was looking to get it up in a couple weeks, according to what he said in the design workshop.


Albatoonoe wrote:
Also, a Wooden Colossus that transforms into a village .

Well I know where my PCs will be living...


Was there any more information about the Inner Sea Races book?

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The latest know direction podcast is the preview banquet.


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
The latest know direction podcast is the preview banquet.

Cool, look forward to watching that tonight!

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