Skeletal Champions and rage

[Giggles616]

I was wondering what would happen when a barbarian skeletal champion went into rage. They would get the strength increase but I am not sure about the Constitution based stuff. A champion uses charisma instead on Constitution for its hitpoints and Con-based special abilities and rage boost constitution. Herolab they get a charisma boost when they rage so I was wondering if this has been covered somewhere before or it was another quirk of herolab?

[Kalindlara]

A couple of times recently, when preparing undead barbarians' stat blocks, Paizo has slipped in an ability called Undead Barbarian.

Monster Codex wrote:

Undead Barbarian An undead creature with the ability to enter a rage gains the morale bonuses from rage despite being immune to morale effects. The bonus to Constitution from the rage applies to an undead creature’s Charisma instead.

I believe that their intent is for it to consistently work this way; the wording implies that this is a standard rule. Of course, that and being "a quirk of Herolab" aren't mutually exclusive. :D

I'd roll with it. ^_^

[Bronnwynn]

Giggles616 wrote:

I was wondering what would happen when a barbarian skeletal champion went into rage. They would get the strength increase

Nope. Morale bonus, which Undead are immune to. That said, what Kalindlara said is likely the intent, or Unchained Barbarian has nothing morale or directly stat-bumping.

[Kalindlara]

Depending on how one defines "rules", the passage I quoted above is from a Paizo rulebook in the RPG line. And as I said, the wording seems to apply to all undead barbarians.

It could easily be argued that the Undead Barbarian ability is how all undead barbarians work by RAW. ^_^

[Giggles616]

Kalindlara wrote:

Depending on how one defines "rules", the passage I quoted above is from a Paizo rulebook in the RPG line. And as I said, the wording seems to apply to all undead barbarians.

It could easily be argued that the Undead Barbarian ability is how all undead barbarians work by RAW. ^_^

thank you this answers my question very neatly I think.