produce flame

[Amaurot]

i have checked the faq but i still dont get the anwser. all i get is:

1. it is not a wepon but a spell
2. it cant do iterative attacks

but does the standard action required to cast it include a free attack, as it does with other touch spells?

the queation seems to be left unanswered

[Bob Bob Bob]

Produce Flame has a range of 0 feet. In order to get a free touch the spell has to have a range of touch.

Touch Spells in Combat wrote:

Many spells have a range of touch. To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) as a free action.

[Amaurot]

but the faq said it is supposed to grant pc the ability to due touch attack, thats why i am confused.

[Bob Bob Bob]

What FAQ? I've quoted the rules to you. Only spells with a range of touch get a free action touch attack. Produce Flame has a range of "Range 0 ft." As in, not touch. That you can later use it to make touch attacks is irrelevant.

[Amaurot]

i was checking this faq
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/pathfinder-faq?lan=tw&lan=tw&lan=tw# TOC-Produce-Flame

and this thread as well
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jvue?Rules-Clarification-Produce-Flame

[Bob Bob Bob]

...so first off, if you look at the top of that page you'll see that it says "This is an unofficial list of frequently asked rule questions about the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game." The response they cite is from James Jacobs, the Creative Director, who has made it very clear he is not a rules guy.

As I've said, the rules are clear. No free attack because it does not have a range of touch.

[Amaurot]

So even if the spell can deal touch attack, it is not considered a touch spell? I wonder if I can find a official clarification for this.
Anyway, thanks for the replies

[SlimGauge]

No, it is not a touch spell. It creates an effect in your palm that can be used to make touch attacks later or hurled (per the spell description itself).

Imagine if there were a similar spell that creates a dagger of flame that appears in your hand that you could use to make a melee attack that ignored armor and could be hurled with the thrown weapon rules. It's like that.

[Melkiador]

Not being a touch spell has its benefits too. You cast cast other spells while holding onto your Produce Flame "charges". A normal touch spell is dissipated if you cast another spell. Also, you can touch things normally while holding a Produce Flame. It cannot be accidentally discharged.

And really, the duration on PF is fairly long, until you start combat. So you should be able to cast it before combat starts a lot of the time.