A few mechanical questions on a tenth trait and twf sundering.

[bowser36]

First off, the tengu trait sword trained, while some weapons are specifically stated I just wanted to double check if a few that I believe are implied are actually included. The two weapons I'm wanting to double check are the dueling sword and sword breaker.

Secondly, I know in most cases if someone with twf wanted to sunder it would be assumed they would use their main hand, but what if my off hand weapon specifically has a bonus to this maneuver? For example dueling sword in main hand and a sword breaker in my off hand.

[bowser36]

Ps I hate auto correct

[Avianfoo]

Tengus are automatically proficient with "swordlike weapons". The Dueling sword and swordbreaker are definitely "swordlike".

Actually, sunder does not assume hands. It replaces a melee attack. So your bonuses/penalties would be from the weapon being used to sunder (including twf penalties). IMO, your offhand weapon won't give your "main hand" weapon its bonuses to sunder and vice versa simply because its not being used.

[Claxon]

What Avianfoo said. The bonus to the maneuver only applies to the weapon that provides it. If you had a worn magic item that provided the bonus it would apply to all weapons, but the weapon should only apply the bonus to itself.

[bowser36]

I knew I had to use my off hand I was just curious if the off hand would impose any negatives exclusive to the off hand.

[Bob Bob Bob]

There is no such thing as an off hand unless you are gaining extra attacks through two weapon fighting. You could totally, with 16 BAB, sunder with your swordbreaker/normal attack dueling sword at -5/dueling sword at -10/sunder with swordbreaker at -15. Or any other combination of weapons and things that replace melee attacks. If you are two weapon fighting then you take the appropriate penalties for whichever melee attack you are replacing with a sunder.

[Avianfoo]

bowser36 wrote:

I knew I had to use my off hand I was just curious if the off hand would impose any negatives exclusive to the off hand.

Just the normal twf penalties. Also remember that the off hand (while using twf) will deal half Str bonus to damage during the sunder. Double Slice feat fixes this for you.