I assume you talk about Versatile performance? It allow you to use perform skills that you have ranks in in stead of other skills. So you can use you perform(oratory) as diplomacy and sense motive. your modifier in Perform(oratory) decides your chance of succes in diplomacy and sense motive. At 2, 6, 10, 14 and 18 you get to Pick a perform skill that you can use for two other skills, but you need to have ranks in the perform skill to make it work.
Yes, but you cannot have more than 1 rank in a skill pr level. So assuming you, at level 10 have Versatile performance in (comedy)(oratory) and (Dance) you have a cha(with items) of 22(+6) a circlet of persuation and maxed all tre skills out you would have a +22 on diplomacy, sense motive, bluff, intimidate, acrobatics and fly.
This is one of the reasons that bards are better skill guys than rogues.
With the 3 performs you would get effectivily 6 skills. All based on cha and that is good. The points you used on bluff should have been used on pehaps perform (comedy) that way you would have gotten both comedy and intimidate for free. The points on diplomacy shoul have been in perform(oratory) that way you would have gotten oratory and sense motive for free and so on.
Where do you get the number 23?
As a level 10 bard you will have assuming you have 10 in int and are not human 60 skill points. If you spend 30 of them(10 on each) on 3 perform skill they give you effectivily 6 skills maxed out based on cha. That is good unless you are doing somthing terrible wrong.
At level 10 you cannot Spend more than 10 skill ranks in a skill.
At level 10 you cannot Spend more than 10 skill ranks in a skill.I haven't... 3 of the points are racial bonuses, 6 are from the cha mod...
ranks is generally the number of skill points you have spend. and skill replacement dosent stack no. By chosing 3 performance that included buff you just dont use the feature very well.
Edit: i am a bit confused by your unortodox use of the terminology around skills:)
Wait, shouldn't the +3 come from the class skil bonus? Because you left that out of your equation.
Your skill bonuses will not stack for overlapping versatile performance skills. To get the most out of VP, you need to choose performances that don't overlap with their corresponding skills.
Wait, shouldn't the +3 come from the class skil bonus? Because you left that out of your equation.
Your skill bonuses will not stack for overlapping versatile performance skills. To get the most out of VP, you need to choose performances that don't overlap with their corresponding skills.
And yeah. I meant class skill bonus. Ours for the confusion.
But still. Either way, max points in each skill would only be 19?
no there is no max there are feats, items, traits and spells that Can puch it higher. How did you get bluff to 23?
Your skill bonus will be +19 if you put 10 ranks into the skill with class skill bonus and a +6 charisma modifier, yes.
+19 to a skill at level 10 is good.
Your skill bonus will be +19 if you put 10 ranks into the skill with class skill bonus and a +6 charisma modifier, yes.
+19 to a skill at level 10 is good.
Exactly what I wanted to know. I'm using a lot of feats and a racial trait to boost perform. The problem is, they only apply to one, not all.
As to how I got bluff to 23, a lot of bonuses... I can't remember then all right now though.
Pick skill focus that Will increase one of the perform skills by 6 if you have 10 skill ranks in it. That is worth it if it is one giving pehaps diplomacy and sense motive. And get your hands on a circlet of persuation it gives +3 on them all and fill another head slot than head band of charisma.
I think I'm currently using 3 feats that give a +4 to various skills. I'm not sure if I'll go this path though. There's a particular path I'm trying to through. I've chosen my spells and abilities to suit a particular method of action... Requires heavily on a high bluff/perform.
I get the feeling that there are somthing we still undestand in the same way. If the is in some way not better than taking the skills the old fashioned way. But good luck and remember to come back and tell how it goes.
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If you have leveled the performance skill you can use it in place of the skills accociated with it.
Say you have 10 ranks in perform dance but no ranks in acrobatics and fly. Now in place of fly you can dance to get higher skill check.
If you are a heavy bluff related person take pageant of the peacock in place of a 2nd level spell and make every INT skill check with your bluff skill. You never need knowledge, appraise, or lingusitics. fake it till you make it.
That is incredible!If you have leveled the performance skill you can use it in place of the skills accociated with it.
Say you have 10 ranks in perform dance but no ranks in acrobatics and fly. Now in place of fly you can dance to get higher skill check.
If you are a heavy bluff related person take pageant of the peacock in place of a 2nd level spell and make every INT skill check with your bluff skill. You never need knowledge, appraise, or lingusitics. fake it till you make it.
Yes incriedible enoug to get banned in my group :S but it dosent change that perform(comedy) acting as both bluff and intimidate is a worthwile investment.
Will saves? The performances that talk about Will saves dosent have anything to do with perform(whatever) skills. But i Will shut up now. Remember ti get back and tell how it it goes.
Yeah I get that. I'm talking about increasing the required number for will saves. (Say for example, a character needs to get a will save of 20 or higher to beat the effect of an enchantment?)
If it is for the performances i think getting as high a cha as realisticly possible is the way to go and for spells there are Spell focus. But generally you will be doing very well if you use a good deal of your performances and spells on buffing your team and your self. Bards are better buffers than agressive casters. I think.