Dunst isn't a bad actress, but she never really sold me "Mary Jane" - nothing about the character really screamed that she was who I expected her to be.Dunst was a dour, joyless version of MJ that was the complete antithesis of everything that MJ is supposed to be. If there was ever any life in a scene, it IMMEDIATELY got sucked out if MJ walked into the scene. She was the only bit of casting worse than McGuire. Yes, I put both of them as worse casting than Topher Grace.
Topher Grace, by the way, could have been a pretty good Peter Parker/Spider-Man, in my opinion.
While you are being overly harsh on Dunst* (I suspect there is little she could do with the character as-written), and I disagree that Maguire was poorly cast, I entirely agree about Topher Grace: the guy can act, and would have been a solid choice for a Peter/Spidey. I'm just sad his lines and direction were given all the dignity, gravitas, and personality of the Tasmanian Devil crossed with Yosemmite Sam. And, yeah, Topher was a pretty bad choice for Eddie Brock. :/
* That said, it is well known that she wasn't really super-into the whole franchise. I also find it really odd that they got the natural blonde to play the red-head, and the natural red-head to play the blonde. How do you even do that?
I don't think they will do the unmasking.There's literally no other reason to shoehorn him into the Civil War movie (which is quickly becoming Avengers 3, instead of a Captain America movie).
Civil War will only be similar to the comics arc in the sense that Cap and Iron Man are at odds. I don't expect registration or any of that nature.
which...yeah also means I have no idea what the plan is for Spiderman
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I think in part it'll be about the expanding MCU. So far, with the exception of Guardians, everything seems to revolve around SHIELD.
With what we have heard about Civil War, we start seeing the emergance of other heroes; Black Panther, Spider-Man, who knows who else.
if Events in Ultron get as bad as it looks like they might there is going to be some people thinking "We need to keep all these super-people under control"
IE: the whole Registration thing
In the comics Spidey was one of the oldest most experienced superheroes around. Getting him on one side or another, the unmasking all scored huge points for the side that got him.
For the movie though we are looking at a young Peter, still in school, not very experienced. He's got the position of the Rookie who looks up to both Cap and Iron Man. Getting him onside or unmasked isn't really a huge plus for either side.
Instead he can serve as an audience voice. Someone at the side of the conflict trying to decide who is right and who is wrong.
alternatively his "appearance" could amount to nothing more than an End credit scene showing a school trip visiting a Lab somewhere and one kid gets bit by an escape spider.
if Spiderman WASNT in the movie, I think I could do a fair job predicting the overall plotline of Cap Three.
Possibly merit less speculation follows:
Cap wants to find and help out Bucky, but Stark is more about jailing him or taking him out. Not only is he a dangerous assasin, but he is also responsible (?) for the deaths of Starks parents.
Combined with the events of Age of Ultron, he might be assisting the government in some fashion (possibly without his suit if he no longer trusts his own tech) wrangling high level threats like the Winter Soldier.
That forces Bucky and Cap to go on the lamb, taking advantage of the non extradition laws of isolationist Wakanda.
Meanwhile, Hydra are also hunting the two, bringing Crossfire and Baron Zemo into the mix.
That was what I was going to guess was going to happen
How does Spiderman fit in? All I can think is that Tony "recruits" Spiderman to help bring in Cap, since Iron Man is no more and he needs to fight fire with fire (i.e. super against super)
Well we know Spiderman beats Batman and Batman beats Cap. 'Merica.
Unless there's like a Pokèmon circle of weaknesses, Spidey beats Cap by the transitive property of beating.
Now we just need to know if Stark watches Deathbattle...
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I have to admit feeling the same way as other folks in another fan space:
I really wanted that "Steve, Nat, and Sam hunt for Bucky" roadtrip/self-discovery movie.
In a way, the MCU is representing both the things I like and dislike about the shared universe nature of its parent. I loved what Winter Soldier did so much, and now I can't help but resent those elements now "intruding" on its follow-up. Especially when it's Bucky and Sam that will likely get hit the hardest when it comes to screentime lost. (probably Natasha too, if she makes it in at all)
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that you had no idea who Black Panther was is a fumble on Marvel's part. Here's hoping they pick up the ball on a movie version.I will say that the only disappointment I have in this is the delay of Black Panther. I'd never really read comic books as a kid, so I didn't know about Black Panther until Freehold mentioned him on this board. After reading about him, I was pretty excited for that movie.
I guess that's one of the secondary benefits that Sony gets out of this deal is less competition for movie premiere dates.
Did someone mention Black Panther?
For a shorter version with More Black Panther looking cool....
I have to admit feeling the same way as other folks in another fan space:
I really wanted that "Steve, Nat, and Sam hunt for Bucky" roadtrip/self-discovery movie.
In a way, the MCU is representing both the things I like and dislike about the shared universe nature of its parent. I loved what Winter Soldier did so much, and now I can't help but resent those elements now "intruding" on its follow-up. Especially when it's Bucky and Sam that will likely get hit the hardest when it comes to screentime lost. (probably Natasha too, if she makes it in at all)
I'm in the same boat really...I don't want Captain American and pals crowded out of their own movie
On the other hand...Marvel has done a pretty good job at balancing large casts, and I think even their worst MCU movies are still watchable. And we don't really know WHAT role some of these characters may play. Black Panther and Even Spiderman could very much be extended cameos setting up their respective movies, and Stark could very well be a sideline character like Pierce from Winter Soldier.
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Dunst isn't a bad actress, but she never really sold me "Mary Jane" - nothing about the character really screamed that she was who I expected her to be.Dunst was a dour, joyless version of MJ that was the complete antithesis of everything that MJ is supposed to be. If there was ever any life in a scene, it IMMEDIATELY got sucked out if MJ walked into the scene. She was the only bit of casting worse than McGuire. Yes, I put both of them as worse casting than Topher Grace.
Topher Grace, by the way, could have been a pretty good Peter Parker/Spider-Man, in my opinion.
While you are being overly harsh on Dunst* (I suspect there is little she could do with the character as-written), and I disagree that Maguire was poorly cast, I entirely agree about Topher Grace: the guy can act, and would have been a solid choice for a Peter/Spidey. I'm just sad his lines and direction were given all the dignity, gravitas, and personality of the Tasmanian Devil crossed with Yosemmite Sam. And, yeah, Topher was a pretty bad choice for Eddie Brock. :/
* That said, it is well known that she wasn't really super-into the whole franchise. I also find it really odd that they got the natural blonde to play the red-head, and the natural red-head to play the blonde. How do you even do that?
Minor quibble... Emma Stone is a natural blonde, not a natural redhead. She's just been dying her hair red for so long that almost no one realises anymore.
About the Civil War stuff, isn't Captain America's actor leaving after Avengers 2? That leaves an unrecognized Captain America as the leader of the Anti Registration side and an Iron Man that is completely in the spot light. Not sure how that would work since the storyline was as much about public opinion as anything else.
Unless...wait...wait...NO! NO! NO!
About the Civil War stuff, isn't Captain America's actor leaving after Avengers 2? That leaves an unrecognized Captain America as the leader of the Anti Registration side and an Iron Man that is completely in the spot light. Not sure how that would work since the storyline was as much about public opinion as anything else.
Unless...wait...wait...NO! NO! NO!
No, I think Evans is still contracted for another Capt movie. I think Iron Man's actor, Downey I think was not. They contracted Downey for the Cap 3 movie, so he's still in for that.
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Minor quibble... Emma Stone is a natural blonde, not a natural redhead. She's just been dying her hair red for so long that almost no one realises anymore.Dunst isn't a bad actress, but she never really sold me "Mary Jane" - nothing about the character really screamed that she was who I expected her to be.Dunst was a dour, joyless version of MJ that was the complete antithesis of everything that MJ is supposed to be. If there was ever any life in a scene, it IMMEDIATELY got sucked out if MJ walked into the scene. She was the only bit of casting worse than McGuire. Yes, I put both of them as worse casting than Topher Grace.
Topher Grace, by the way, could have been a pretty good Peter Parker/Spider-Man, in my opinion.
While you are being overly harsh on Dunst* (I suspect there is little she could do with the character as-written), and I disagree that Maguire was poorly cast, I entirely agree about Topher Grace: the guy can act, and would have been a solid choice for a Peter/Spidey. I'm just sad his lines and direction were given all the dignity, gravitas, and personality of the Tasmanian Devil crossed with Yosemmite Sam. And, yeah, Topher was a pretty bad choice for Eddie Brock. :/
* That said, it is well known that she wasn't really super-into the whole franchise. I also find it really odd that they got the natural blonde to play the red-head, and the natural red-head to play the blonde. How do you even do that?
If you follow his links, you'll note he's talking about Bryce Dallas Howard, who is a redhead and who played Gwen Stacy in Spider-Man 3.
Minor quibble... Emma Stone is a natural blonde, not a natural redhead. She's just been dying her hair red for so long that almost no one realises anymore.
That's actually really cool to know! Funny thing, though, is that I never really thought "Emma Stone!" when I watched AMS, and instead just sort of accepted that she was naturally that hair color. Funny.
(It's a minor thing that I notice sometimes for weird indefinable reasons - I'll sometimes kind of look at a person's hair color and obsess over it's natural state in a film for some unfathomable reason.)
... but, yeah, I was talking 'bout Ms. Howard instead of Ms. Stone.
Also, I realize now, it's much easier to handle Peter's hair color: brown is really common, and you generally have a broader array of actors available than with the other two.
Since Spider-Man is based in New York, they're going to have to address what he was up to during the events of the first Avengers movie. Will they retcon him in, saying he was fighting the Chitauri somewhere else in the city? Or maybe the Battle of New York spurs him to move beyond fighting purse-snatchers and seek out SHIELD so he can make a real difference?
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Dunst isn't a bad actress, but she never really sold me "Mary Jane" - nothing about the character really screamed that she was who I expected her to be.Dunst was a dour, joyless version of MJ that was the complete antithesis of everything that MJ is supposed to be. If there was ever any life in a scene, it IMMEDIATELY got sucked out if MJ walked into the scene. She was the only bit of casting worse than McGuire. Yes, I put both of them as worse casting than Topher Grace.
Topher Grace, by the way, could have been a pretty good Peter Parker/Spider-Man, in my opinion.
You go too far. Dunst might not be "bombshell hot" but boy did she do a great job in those 3 spider-man movies... she really conveyed the disappointment MJ has with Peter - she knew the man was lying to her and she knew he loved her. For most people a real genuine relationship means trust and no secrets - she was perceptive enough to know something was amiss. As for the Garfield - Stone relationship, there was no waiting - he just blurted out he's spidey, and they giggled like two little kids (whereas Maguire - Dunst was more about protecting the ones you love from the spidey activities)
Dunst doesn't go with "dour, joyless" IMO...
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Since Spider-Man is based in New York, they're going to have to address what he was up to during the events of the first Avengers movie. Will they retcon him in, saying he was fighting the Chitauri somewhere else in the city? Or maybe the Battle of New York spurs him to move beyond fighting purse-snatchers and seek out SHIELD so he can make a real difference?
Maybe the battle of New York leaked a bit of radioactive Chitauri engine coolant on the ground and a spider walked into it...
Minor quibble... Emma Stone is a natural blonde, not a natural redhead. She's just been dying her hair red for so long that almost no one realises anymore.That's actually really cool to know! Funny thing, though, is that I never really thought "Emma Stone!" when I watched AMS, and instead just sort of accepted that she was naturally that hair color. Funny.
(It's a minor thing that I notice sometimes for weird indefinable reasons - I'll sometimes kind of look at a person's hair color and obsess over it's natural state in a film for some unfathomable reason.)
... but, yeah, I was talking 'bout Ms. Howard instead of Ms. Stone.
Also, I realize now, it's much easier to handle Peter's hair color: brown is really common, and you generally have a broader array of actors available than with the other two.
Ah, fair enough, I was at work and wasn't paying full attention, didn't even realise there was a link. I'd forgotten Gwen was even in the third film, and I was remembering a whole lot of nerd rage I heard about them casting a redhead as Gwen when the casting for The Amazing Spiderman was announced.
Ah, fair enough, I was at work and wasn't paying full attention, didn't even realise there was a link. I'd forgotten Gwen was even in the third film, and I was remembering a whole lot of nerd rage I heard about them casting a redhead as Gwen when the casting for The Amazing Spiderman was announced.
Ms. Howard was pretty great, actually. It was frustrating that Gwen took the role she did, but she did a great job in that role. I do actually regret that she wasn't Mary Jane. Ah, well.
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Ah, fair enough, I was at work and wasn't paying full attention, didn't even realise there was a link. I'd forgotten Gwen was even in the third film, and I was remembering a whole lot of nerd rage I heard about them casting a redhead as Gwen when the casting for The Amazing Spiderman was announced.Ms. Howard was pretty great, actually. It was frustrating that Gwen took the role she did, but she did a great job in that role. I do actually regret that she wasn't Mary Jane. Ah, well.
Yeah, not so much a comment on her acting (I'm sure she was great), as much as it is a comment on the fact that I hated the third film so much I watched it once and just kind of let myself forget all the details I could. Sadly I was unable to forget the "Peter Parker getting all edgy and emo, strutting down the street and generally being a prat" section
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Since Spider-Man is based in New York, they're going to have to address what he was up to during the events of the first Avengers movie. Will they retcon him in, saying he was fighting the Chitauri somewhere else in the city? Or maybe the Battle of New York spurs him to move beyond fighting purse-snatchers and seek out SHIELD so he can make a real difference?
That's easy...Spiderman didn't exist yet during the Chitauri invasion. They want to have a Spiderman in high school, which sort of implies he hasn't been active for more than a year at best.
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About the Civil War stuff, isn't Captain America's actor leaving after Avengers 2? That leaves an unrecognized Captain America as the leader of the Anti Registration side and an Iron Man that is completely in the spot light. Not sure how that would work since the storyline was as much about public opinion as anything else.
Unless...wait...wait...NO! NO! NO!
I think all of the avengers are contracted for at least 3 avengers movies and 3 stand alone movies in the series. This will be Cap's last stand alone but, but he will be contracted to appear in at least one of the Infinity War movies.
Robert Downey Jr wasn't contracted for anymore movies outside of another Avengers, but I am guessing they showed up with a dump truck of cash to convince him to be in Cap 3.
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Since Spider-Man is based in New York, they're going to have to address what he was up to during the events of the first Avengers movie. Will they retcon him in, saying he was fighting the Chitauri somewhere else in the city? Or maybe the Battle of New York spurs him to move beyond fighting purse-snatchers and seek out SHIELD so he can make a real difference?
I think he will have been a kid who has grown up in the aftermath of the destruction of a major part of NYC. If he got his powers shortly after, he will have had at least 2 years to develop into an Avenger recruit.
Well, I hope the suits at Fox Studios smarten up, fast.