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The subject never meets you in person.It would be more accurate to state that you do not meet them.
But who's to say the entity did not "meet" you when you drew it's eye by performing the magical ritual? It knows who you are, it just doesn't bother to follow up on it's contact each and every time you happen to sleep is all..
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I like to think that this eldritch being from beyond the stars spends plenty of time observing you, hence "The haunting certainty that someone is watching you".
The DC of 17 probably already takes into account the modifier of the spell (I would guess it to be the secondary at +5).
In other words, the real DC is 22, but you get a +5 bonus for the secondary knowledge portion, which means you need a 17 for the actual save.
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I would assume the save is 17, exactly as written.Did you read the spell? It has a modifier based on how much you know about the subject. it is a 17 but no modifier to the save means that means the subject would have to have met you in person. The subject never meets you in person.
I did, but as the last few posters mentioned, there's nothing in the boon that indicates the dc that is already clearly laid out should be modified in any way.
Also, why ask?
Another scenario will eventually come along that follows up on it.
I have a character that accepted the "boon", and one that didn't.
Either way, I look forward to what happens next.
Leave it alone until the mystery is revealed.
My life oracle was stoked to get this boon. He gets to experience the same sort of contact that Dou-Bral did to become Zon-Kuthon!
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The save for the effect is clearly listed, it lists no modifiers to the save due to familiarity with the subject. There is no need to discuss this further that I can tell.Because the modifier is separate from the save. As I noted several times but it seems to be ignored for some reason people think that the save being written negates the effects of the spell altering the bonus to the saving throw.
You've convinced me! Since it is not explicitly noted what the modifiers are I am going to assign them for my tables. They got in a fight in the area. Likely some sort of blood on the ground and I'll say the unidentified creature could easily come down and scrape up some of it. Body part, lock of hair, bit of nail, etc. -10! Heck, since it has been doing this on average one out of five nights and there is an indeterminate amount of time between scenarios. Its been poking around in their heads long enough to know them pretty well. Familiar (you know the subject well) -5!
Nightmare DC 32! Cheers!
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If it's simply "You receive a nightmare DC 17 from unspecified source" The DC is 17. Add 10 to the saving throw because the caster is unspecified and has no knowledge about you because the spell says so. The spell effect trumps the save DC in the same way feeblemind does or planar X spells.
That's not what it says in the spell.
1)It's +10 if the caster has absolutely no knowledge about you what so ever.
2)If someone happens to mention to the caster your name and you like the color purple...it's down to a +5.
3)If you, via the caster's own senses, whatever they may be, have seen, met, whatever, then they're down to a 0.
4)If the caster actually knows the subject due to ongoing interactions, then it's a -5.
The fact that you do not know the caster, does not mean the caster does not know you and has not met you via its own forms of senses. It's some other worldly being beyond the stars that has the ability to see and interact with creatures from afar. If you want to get picky, then probably after 5-10 castings of the nightmare effect, the being is probably getting close to the well known status and could include the penalty...but that's adding effects that aren't listed in the boon to begin with, so won't happen.
In short, the boon gives the DC for the effect, so that's the DC you need to use for the save.
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Who said that they need to scry on you in order to see you?
Yes, I willingly ignore the modifiers on the spell because it's impossible to determine. Right now the only person who knows how well the entity knows you is John Compton, and he hasn't said yet. Absent his advice, we can't determine what modifier to use - therefore we can't use any.
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I would assume the save is 17, exactly as written.Did you read the spell? It has a modifier based on how much you know about the subject. it is a 17 but no modifier to the save means that means the subject would have to have met you in person. The subject never meets you in person.I did, but as the last few posters mentioned, there's nothing in the boon that indicates the dc that is already clearly laid out should be modified in any way.
The DC is in no way modified, altered, changed, deffered, mutilated, sifted, delayed, increased, or decreased. You are either not reading the spell or willingly ignoring the modifiers the spell itself presents.
If the spell was instead feeblemind would you say arcane casters ignored the -4?
The same thing applies here I'm merely determining if it's +5 (Seems RAI) or +10 (Seems RAW).
The spell is cast.
This statement by you means by RAW it's +10 because they didn't meet you and have no evidence they scried on you other than vague language about being watched which isn't an actual rule.That's the point.
Again, some great posts right above me laying out my thoughts. Maybe they've been contacting me in my sleep. But let's put it this way. Say I'm a GM who sees the boon and nothing else. I have no context for what happened, so I'm going to run the boon as written, as per the guide to organized play, and not speculate on what may have happened in previous episodes. So you roll your DC 17 will save using your standard will save. Otherwise, you run into situations like Steven's up above.
Luckily, you're provided with a way to cure yourself in the text of the boon.
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The nightmare prevents restful sleep and causes 1d10 points of damage. The nightmare leaves the subject fatigued and unable to regain arcane spells for the next 24 hours.In the case of the characters I gave it to as a GM (A summoner, a sorc, and a wizard) and as a player I received it (trying not to metagame since in character He'd do it) on a wizard and it significantly impacts your ability to contribute to any adventure in any way (Roll 20% at the start of any adventure, make save or no spells).
As far as I'm aware, it's not possible to give credit for GMing a game to three characters. 1 chronicle for GMing, 1 chronicle if you spend a star replay and that's it.
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The way it was explained to me is you get it while your doing the ritual to regain mythic points. And while doing that you meet something. Or more accurately it meets you. Theres nothing that says you need to know what it is. You did its ritual and now it knows who you are.
And there is nothing saying that it was the spell. It could have been an ability that is going to be something new.
Its kinda the same when clerics do thier ritual for the spells. They have never actually met there diety, most likely, but the diety knows them and grants thier request.
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I don't really understand the problem. They chose to perform the ritual, received the benefit and incurred the cost. If they want to remove the negative boon, they can pay the monetary cost of spellcasting services for a nondetection (200g) and a heal (660g). If not, they can risk the potential to be unable to prepare spells.
This is not the only negative boon in PFS that actually has a real impact on characters.
Spoilery examples:
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Probably the thing to do is to run it as a DC 17 with no adjustments since we have no developer clarification. It makes the most sense and is likely what was intended. Any DC much higher than that becomes a substantial challenge for PCs to overcome at that lower level. A DC 17 is already pretty challenging.
I don't believe that this boon was designed to cripple people's characters, and serves as more of a sweet roleplaying opportunity.
Have fun with it.
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The spell that replenishes Mythic points... Is evil?
And the creatures that cast it... Are evil?
I don't remember reading that in the scenario, or the Chronicle Sheet.
Which wouldn't matter anyways if it was, since [evil] descriptor spells exist in PFS, and they don't shift your alignment.
If performing this ritual was an evil act, the scenario would have called it out.
It didn't, so it isn't.
Live in the moment. You're probably stressing over this more than is required.
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I just noticed I had this "condition" from my last pbp ... this is the character I plan to use at PaizoCon '15.
My online chronicle is blurry
... that's gonna be spendy!
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Ha, funny ... I couldn't remember any ritual Ahn had performed, so looking at the pbp I finally found what I wrote ...
"Aha provides Eadie the ritual to recharge mythic abilities." Meaning he handed it to her!
Eadie goes on to describe Ahn reading the ritual over her ... And SHE got the points! Ahn didn't even gain anything! I wonder if the DM also tagged her.
In any case kind of funny.