Am I being too mean to a player?


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Mystic_Snowfang wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Melkiador wrote:
I'd question why the villain would even have kept those corpses around. It's not like he should have had a deep hatred of the PC during that caravan attack. The hatred would have come much later. Does the villain simply collect the body of every person he's ever killed? That sounds exhausting.

I was thinking about this also. Why care about a catfolk who he failed to kill as a baby/toddler? This is the type of thing you do to someone who really gave you a reason to hate them.

Even if the evil guy needs for the catfolk to die because _____, then saving the bodies still seems to go to far, since it would likely not be personal.

He doesn't want to kill her. He wants to capture her alive so he has the complete set as his slaves.

My basic point is why the intense interest?

Silver Crusade

wraithstrike wrote:
Mystic_Snowfang wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Melkiador wrote:
I'd question why the villain would even have kept those corpses around. It's not like he should have had a deep hatred of the PC during that caravan attack. The hatred would have come much later. Does the villain simply collect the body of every person he's ever killed? That sounds exhausting.

I was thinking about this also. Why care about a catfolk who he failed to kill as a baby/toddler? This is the type of thing you do to someone who really gave you a reason to hate them.

Even if the evil guy needs for the catfolk to die because _____, then saving the bodies still seems to go to far, since it would likely not be personal.

He doesn't want to kill her. He wants to capture her alive so he has the complete set as his slaves.

My basic point is why the intense interest?

Because he was denied something he wanted and is used to getting what he wants

Silver Crusade

Melkiador wrote:
I'd question why the villain would even have kept those corpses around. It's not like he should have had a deep hatred of the PC during that caravan attack. The hatred would have come much later. Does the villain simply collect the body of every person he's ever killed? That sounds exhausting.

The mother had a natural charisma of 20, it was such a pretty body to let go to waste. Why not keep it, undead and fresh, for is own pleasure to violate over and over again.

As for keeping the older child. Because exposing her to that from a young age offered more perverted pleasure.

The man is a complete sicko and wants to become an incubus in the service of Socothbenoth.


Before I forget, just wanna say Kudos to willing to go so far with a villain. Most gamers I know are surprisingly squicky for people who regularly search baby dragon orifices for treasure. Having a villain like this is going to seriously be one of those villains your players will loathe for years to come.

Just try to not make it over the top. If he starts looking like a caricature of such vile evil taboos, it's gonna seem like a joke.

That said.. Remind me to try and find your table some time, lol.


Maybe if you have a reason why the anti-paladin turned out this way and wants to have a collection of slave of catfolks, I can see it as reasonable. Maybe the anti-paladin's love fell in love with a male catfolk, even after he had given all that he had to her. In despair, someone shown him a different way of life. You must take what you want by taking, not giving. Your kindness made you a slave, a tool and a fool, take what you want by force if needed, otherwise you will never gain anything. And so, the anti-paladin follow that way of life and serve his deity in hope to have what he desires.


roguerouge wrote:
Mystic_Snowfang wrote:
It's been confirmed that the Slayer's older sister is alive and been a pleasure slave of this drow since she was captured. Her tiefling daughter was recently used as bait to lure the party into a trap.
When you include a plot line of serial rape of a family member, the answer is yes before you even ask the question.

I've had GMs (female GMs) create stories so vilely horrible that when I once described one scenario under a spoiler tab with appropriate warnings, the post was deleted by a mod within 15 minutes.

What the OP is proposing is comparatively nothing.

As a morally conscious person, however, I will recommend that you check if your players don't have any triggers or will be in need of a trigger warning before you run this out as written. If you have someone who has issues with the rape/slavery part of it, then I'd recommend rewriting that part.


boring7 wrote:
Well if the Dad is EVIL, then the laws of narrative tropes suggest the mom should be good or a switch-hitter

High five for double entendre action!

Liberty's Edge

roguerouge wrote:
Mystic_Snowfang wrote:
It's been confirmed that the Slayer's older sister is alive and been a pleasure slave of this drow since she was captured. Her tiefling daughter was recently used as bait to lure the party into a trap.
When you include a plot line of serial rape of a family member, the answer is yes before you even ask the question.

As bookrat notes...not necessarily. It's definitely something you should check with the player in question about before including, though. And also, frankly, the group as a whole.

I've had my PC personally do worse things than that in an Evil game, and I was probably the second nicest party member (after the one LN one), with some of the others being much worse. I've run a game where the PCs were serial killers (and not the cuddly kind ala Dexter) with all the horror that implied. I've had PCs personally kidnapped and tortured by main villains. I've seen all kinds of things worse than this done in all sorts of games.

All of that was perfectly acceptable because I've known the people I've been gaming with for years, and checked to make sure that sort of thing was okay beforehand. Nobody complained and those games are remembered fondly. So...this sort of darkness certainly can work.

The corollary, to reiterate, is that it's rather definitively required for you to know your players and check about this kind of thing before you introduce anything resembling it, or it can be seriously traumatic and unpleasant. If they aren't cool with it...don't do it.

But if they're cool with doing this? No inherent reason not to if it's fun for everyone.


It's good that you are trying to put the 'vil'e back in villain.

A motivation of; Because I always get what I want is valid for a CE character; it's the prime motivation of the Hedonist character archetype in Champions of Corruption, under CE. For an Antipaladin, it makes even more sense, because he is the embodiment of vile, selfish evil.

Just...try to keep evil laughs out of it? Those are so often used at the wrong time, not helped by popular media.

Silver Crusade

The intended target player IS the ST for a world of darkness game that has so far involved trying to hunt down and destroy the seven sins, a PC with rape in her backstory, and a trip to both the WINTER and hallow courts (the latter included a wild hunt targeting two oathbreakers who were pedophiel serial killers (and a few other things on top of that) that were sworn to a couple of fey, and found their banes, and beat them to death with their banes.

My character (a salubri healer) is living with the knowledge that her twin brother is a Bali.

So I think the Player can stomach it. Though I'm likely going leave out betrayal.

I did find the right Undead for the mother though. A Harionago, but currently under the magic control of either the Antipaladin or one of his loyal servants.

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