Order of the Flame Chain Challenge!


Rules Questions


Just found this feat thanks to a thread in the advice forum:

Chain Challenge:
Prerequisite(s): Challenge class feature, character level 7th.

Benefit(s): When the target of your challenge ability is killed or knocked unconscious, you can declare a new challenge target within 30 feet as an immediate action.

This action must be taken immediately upon your initial challenge target's defeat, and you can't take it later if you are unable to act at the time. If you declare a new challenge using this feat, it doesn't count against your total daily uses of challenge. You can chain together a number of challenges beyond the first equal to your Charisma bonus (minimum 1).

I'm curious to know how this functions with:

Order of the Flame's Glorious Challenge:

Challenge: A cavalier of the order of the flame becomes ever more emboldened with each glorious victory. As an immediate action after reducing the target of his challenge to 0 hit points or fewer, the cavalier can elect to issue a glorious challenge to an opponent within 15 feet.

Glorious Challenge: A glorious challenge does not count against the cavalier's number of challenges per day, but otherwise acts like a cavalier's challenge class feature.

When he issues a glorious challenge, the cavalier takes a –2 penalty to AC for the duration of the glorious challenge (this penalty stacks with the usual –2 AC penalty against opponents other than the target of the cavalier's challenge).

The cavalier gains a morale bonus on melee damage rolls against the target of his glorious challenge equal to 2 × the number of consecutive glorious challenges he has issued thus far. As long as he continues to defeat targets of his glorious challenges and there are more opponents in range, the cavalier can continue to issue glorious challenges indefinitely, with the penalty to AC and the bonus on damage rolls increasing with each subsequent foe. For example, a 5th-level cavalier that has just issued his third glorious challenge after defeating the original target of his challenge takes a –6 penalty to AC (–8 against creatures other than the target of his glorious challenge) and gains a +11 bonus on melee damage rolls (a +5 bonus from his base challenge ability plus a +6 morale bonus for three consecutive glorious challenges).

1) Can one trigger a Glorious Challenge off a Chained Challenge?
2a) Can one trigger a Chained Challenge off a Glorious Challenge?
2b) If one can trigger a Chained off a Glorious, does the Chained challenge disrupt your Glorious Challenge bonus? Or, does the Glorious Challenge bonus suspend, then resume on the next Glorious Challenge?

I'm pretty sure I had another minor question, but offline distractions made me forget it. If I can recall, I'll either edit, or ask later.

Sry if this has been asked before. Used the Search function and didn't find anything, but my search-fu is weak.


DISCLAIMER: The folowing is my opinion as a GM, and under no way official, but I hope you can find it useful.

First of all, glorious challenge only works if your oponent is dead or diying: If you beat your target into unconsciousness, you only have the option of issuing a chain challenge. Then again, as those are consecutive challenges, and all your challenges are glorious challenges, I'd say you ge the increasing bonuses and penalties (note that I say you get them whether you want them or not, there's no option to "renew" the bonuses/penalties).

Another option is that you kill the target of your challenge. Then, three posible scenarios open up:
a) There are no oponents left within 30ft. Stop. Breathe deeply and take a rest. I've seen barbarians played less recklessly. Your challenge ends here.
b) There are no oponents within 15 feet, but at least one within 30. Chain challenge kicks in, see above. (take into account that chain challenge has a hard limit at your CHA modifier, so you can't do this indefinitely).
c) There is at least one oponent within 15ft. Congratulations. Either of the dicussed options allows you to shift your challenge to the new victim. As a sidenote, I'd rule that using your glorious challenge in this way refreshes your chain challenge, giving you +CHA uses of it again (so, effectively, you can chain glorious challenges to infinity).

To sum up, as an Order of the Flame cavalier, what the Chain Challenge offers to you is an increased radius for your glorious challenge feature, and the opton to continue your challenge after unconsciousness and not only death. However, since the Order of the Flame is all about increasing your renown at any cost, that last option seems somewhat of a corner case.

I hope any of this is of use to you.

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