RumpinRufus |
Same as drinking a potion is a good start.
You might also be able to make a case that eating a Goodberry wouldn't provoke, because whereas drinking a potion involves throwing back your head (and taking your eyes off the enemy,) eating a Goodberry wouldn't really put you off balance, and wouldn't require diverting your eyes or attention. So, it probably makes more sense to me if it doesn't provoke.
But, I don't think there are rules on this, so it's up to your GM.
SlimGauge |
... drinking a potion involves throwing back your head (and taking your eyes off the enemy,)
If you don't use a straw or a medieval beer-helmet *heh*
LazarX |
Assuming you keep some in your pocket.
Or assuming you have one in your hand.
Richard
Are you seriously worrying about taking a combat action to heal ONE HIT POINT? Especially since it's an action by the rules which would provoke?
RumpinRufus |
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richard develyn wrote:Are you seriously worrying about taking a combat action to heal ONE HIT POINT? Especially since it's an action by the rules which would provoke?Assuming you keep some in your pocket.
Or assuming you have one in your hand.
Richard
Are there actually rules on this?
And it could be situationally useful, for example, if you have a lot of bleed damage.
The smarter thing would be to pop it in your mouth BEFORE combat and start chewing when you need it. Then maybe you can convince your GM it is a free action.
richard develyn |
By definition anything not specifically defined, takes a standard action, which is why we use the term.
If that was the case then "scratching your nose" would be a standard action.
"Standard" means "common" rather than "default". If somewhere in the rules it says otherwise then please point me to it.
I think we have guidelines for all sorts of different actions and everything else is a matter of opinion.
In my opinion swallowing a berry that you've got in your hand should be a swift action, taking it out of your pocket first should make that a move action. Just wondering what other people think.
Richard
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Fenrick Talon |
Great question! This came up in my game last session. The 1st level party was getting beat up by some skeletons so the Druid cast good berry and wanted to toss them to party members. I made it standard actions that provoked, but now I feel bad as two members got hit with aoo's for it.
I like the idea of it being a swift action if they are in your hand and not provoking.
TorresGlitch |
Reviving the topic as I'd like to see if it actually costs a standard action? But more importantly, if there is a way to make it quicker/eat multiple berries at once!
I am asking because my Barbarian with "Fast Healing" and the "lesser celestial Totem" greatly benefits from that 1hp magical healing! = about 15HP heal /berry! (With our Druid CL6 casting them)
TorresGlitch |
I could see it being a free action to throw it into your mouth or swift action. Then actually chewing it might be a move action or simply takes 1 round but isn't considered an action.
Though I could also see it taking 2 rounds of active chewing as to not let it get caught in the throat. Perhaps a reflex save or fortitude save to not choke if you swallow it quickly? - Who needs to chew anyway? :p
StabbittyDoom |
It isn't a defined action, so it's whatever your DM says it is.
EDIT: And to expand on the "default action type" thing: that doesn't exist except for (Su)/(Ex) abilities. Su abilities default to standard if not specified, Ex are either non-action or standard action depending on whether the ability requires activation, the rest don't have a default. Since eating something isn't an Ex/Su/Sp ability, it doesn't have a default. Unless you want to argue that eating something is somehow a "special ability".
LazarX |
LazarX wrote:By definition anything not specifically defined, takes a standard action, which is why we use the term.If that was the case then "scratching your nose" would be a standard action.
That's correct. If that's what you choose to do with your turn, it's a standard action.
TorresGlitch |
What if my Barbarian who has the "lesser celestial totem" and is a "fast healer" (=about +11HP heal/berry) empties his clay cup of berries in his mouth without swallowing (standard action?) then as the battle goes on he swallows them one at the time 1/round, using his tongue to distribute them. What sort of penalties would his combat actions have and would he need to make a Reflex save every time he is struck for damage, DC = (10+damage taken)?
Better question:
In your opinion, what is the feat tax for "getting hold of", "throwing it into your mouth", "chewing" and "swallowing" the Goodberry?
What is it worth?
SlimGauge |
Goodberry says
"The berry also cures 1 point of damage when eaten, subject to a maximum of 8 points of such curing in any 24-hour period."
I'm not certain if these "side-effect" of the berry count against this limit or not.
I'm not certain that simply swallowing a goodberry counts as "eating" it, it may need to be chewed.
Since it also counts as a full meal, might the mighty barbarian feel "full" after doing so ?
I'd imagine that the size/durability of the berries chosen for transmutation plus the size of the barbarian's mouth determine how many he may put in there at any one time. However, the more he puts in there, the harder it will be to limit his consumption at any one time. (Remembers Liza Doolittle accidentally swallowing some of Professor Henry Higgin's marbles).
Ask your GM.
Purple Dragon Knight |
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Better question:
In your opinion, what is the feat tax for "getting hold of", "throwing it into your mouth", "chewing" and "swallowing" the Goodberry?
What is it worth?
I think you need to make a grapple check against the berry to pin it in your mouth, then another grapple check next round to swallow it whole. Chewing means you apply bite damage each round to the berry. So yeah dude, looks like you need a bite natural attack, the grab and swallow whole abilities for this! [/humor] ;)
TorresGlitch |
I think you need to make a grapple check against the berry to pin it in your mouth, then another grapple check next round to swallow it.
.. But the berry is 3 sizes smaller than me, we can share the same position :D
Jokes aside I believe we won't find any more accurate answers than those we've found.I will ask my GM but I'm inclined to say the whole procedure "untrained" most likely will result in 2 moveactions (grab it and tossing it into your mouth), followed by 1 or two fullround actions of chewing.
Perhaps 1->2rounds of chewing but you still got all actions but you will be considered distracted (-5 on every combat- skill or the like -action you take)
Thanks everyone for your contributions (I'd like to add even though I'm not the thread starter), and for your precise and quick responds!
Purple Dragon Knight |
Honestly, my take on it is:
- berries, be they good or evil berries, can be drawn like ammunition (i.e. free action)
- eating a berry is just like talking: you're flapping your gums about. Therefore, free action as well.
- therefore: grabbing 8 berries and chomping on them while fighting is also a free action
NOTE: you can't talk or hear effectively with your mouth full and chewing... so I would apply the following drawbacks which are a partial cut/paste of the deafened conditions
----> takes a –4 penalty on opposed Perception checks, and has a 20% chance of spell failure when casting spells with verbal components.
DM_Blake |
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Answer: 1 move action to put it in your mouth, free action to chew, followed by 59 consecutive free actions to digest the berry and have it reach your blood stream.
Seriously though, this seems like a silly question...
Call it the same action as drinking a potion and move on.
Could you carry one in your mouth? Sure, why not - just no talking during combat. I'd allow that. More than one? Maybe, but I'd start to call that cheese and if a player insisted, I'd rule he might accidentally swallow more than he intended, roll 1d4 berries swallowed each time he tries to swallow one - if I allow it all. Of course, enemies will do it too...
Are you full after eating one? Of course not. It doesn't expand in your stomach; it merely nourishes you like a full meal. There is still plenty of room in your belly for more goodberries. The spell itself sets the limit of how many times per day you can receive this benefit. Now, is it possible that frequently consuming 8 days worth of nourishment every day might make you fat...
LazarX |
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Answer: 1 move action to put it in your mouth, free action to chew, followed by 59 consecutive free actions to digest the berry and have it reach your blood stream.
Seriously though, this seems like a silly question...
Call it the same action as drinking a potion and move on.
Could you carry one in your mouth? Sure, why not - just no talking during combat. I'd allow that. More than one? Maybe, but I'd start to call that cheese and if a player insisted, I'd rule he might accidentally swallow more than he intended, roll 1d4 berries swallowed each time he tries to swallow one - if I allow it all. Of course, enemies will do it too...
Are you full after eating one? Of course not. It doesn't expand in your stomach; it merely nourishes you like a full meal. There is still plenty of room in your belly for more goodberries. The spell itself sets the limit of how many times per day you can receive this benefit. Now, is it possible that frequently consuming 8 days worth of nourishment every day might make you fat...
Or it might just turn you violet, Violet.
Purple Dragon Knight |
Now, is it possible that frequently consuming 8 days worth of nourishment every day might make you fat...
lol amazing find! I would wait 3 weeks then spring that on the PC one morning. "As you attempt to put your pants on this morning you realize they've been shrunk or something! "
Player complains.
DM answers: "like putting multiple goodberries in your mouth there is no game effect for having no pants or being a fatty"
Lol