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If I were to take believer's boon and get the trickery domain, would that qualify me for divine protection on the spell end and the domain end?
It does not actually give you the class feature.
By this stage, the "class feature" distinction has become immaterial. If you obtain an animal companion through Animal Ally feat, we generally accept that as counting as an "animal companion class feature" for the purposes of Boon Companion or Evolved Companion feats despite your animal companion being a feat and not actually a class feature. Similarly, if you are playing a Drow with a racial Poison Use, we would say that you qualify for feats with Poison Use class feature requirements despite the fact that you have it as a racial feature instead. Essentially, it's more about having the feature and less about having obtained it specifically through a class.
If you must view it in terms of class features, then the same as you would consider a Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) familiar to be a class feature (as it is obtained as a sorcerer bloodline power), then the Believer's Boon domain could be similarly recognized as accessing a Cleric's domains class feature. This is also why the Copycat SLA power would be recognized as divine despite the mirror image SLA only appearing on arcane spell lists - because we recognize that you would obtain it as a cleric domain power.
I'm personally inclined to rule that Believer's Boon qualifies you for Divine Protection. Mechanically, I would say "Believer's Boon does give you a form of access to a domain, so that would be satisfy the domain prereq, yes." Balance-wise, it seems an acceptable tax (with a 13 Wis requirement to boot) to allow non-divine classes to obtain the Divine Protection. Charisma is rightly considered the ultimate dump stat since aside from a few skills (which can all be converted to int-based skills with the right traits) the stat does virtually nothing, so obtaining cha to all saves (at the expense of two whole feats, a 13 wis requirement, and 5 skill ranks) might not be so bad. Thematically, it also makes sense, since the Believer's Boon is bestowing you with divine powers as a manifestation of your faith, so obtaining a divine protection isn't unreasonable when you have already established an innate link to divine powers.
FAQing so that we can get a more authoritative ruling on the books, since I'm guessing this will be a popular question.
No, it would not count. You do not get access to the domain. You just enjoy some of the benefits.
It is like being an honorary member of an organization. You might get some perks, but only real members get all of the benefits.
By the same token an Inquisitor should not count either, I suppose, since he does not get the domain spells? Or a Hellknight with the Pentamic Faith discipline since he also just gets granted powers? How about an Umbral Court Agent or Razmiran Priest PrC? You can liken it to being an honorary member of an organization, but if the only question is whether you are a member of the organization, then it could be said that being an honorary member is good enough.
There are grounds for seeing it either way. Hence, I hit FAQ.
Tom Sampson wrote: By the same token an Inquisitor should not count either, I suppose, since he does not get the domain spells? Or a Hellknight with the Pentamic Faith discipline since he also just gets granted powers? How about an Umbral Court Agent or Razmiran Priest PrC? You can liken it to being an honorary member of an organization, but if the only question is whether you are a member of the organization, then it could be said that being an honorary member is good enough.
There are grounds for seeing it either way. Hence, I hit FAQ.
It depends on whether the wording says the actually get the domain or if the wording just gives them some features.
Basically "You get the domain minus ___" qualifies you because you have the domain.
"You get X from the domain, but not Y" means you get some of the features, but still do not have the domain so it really depends on how it is worded.
So, by your token, so if an Inquisitor grabs the Travel domain, he only gets the granted powers, but qualifies for the Divine Protection feat. If a Ranger 7 / Hellknight 3 gets Pentamic Faith discipline for the Travel domain, even though he also gets all the granted powers, he still does not count as having the appropriate domain?
Tom Sampson wrote: So, by your token, so if an Inquisitor grabs the Travel domain, he only gets the granted powers, but qualifies for the Divine Protection feat. If a Ranger 7 / Hellknight 3 gets Pentamic Faith discipline for the Travel domain, even though he also gets all the granted powers, he still does not count as having the appropriate domain? I would have to read how it is written. If it says he gets the domain, but then says he can't get the spells then yet he qualifies, but if it only says he get the domain powers, minus the spells without saying he gets the domain then the inquisitor does not qualify.
Basically to me it boils down to whether or not they give you the domain, even if they nerf it.
Now I will go read the inquisitor to see if I can tell you if it qualifies by taking the domain. Then I will read the hellknight and give an answer for that.
To answer the question my answer is yes. The hellknight would not qualify. It never says he gets the domain. Now that may not be RAI, but that is how I am reading it.
As an example SU's that are very similar to dimension door don't qualify you for dimensional agility, but SLA's of DD do allow you to take it.
wraithstrike wrote: To answer the question my answer is yes. The hellknight would not qualify. It never says he gets the domain. Now that may not be RAI, but that is how I am reading it.
As an example SU's that are very similar to dimension door don't qualify you for dimensional agility, but SLA's of DD do allow you to take it.
Quote: This ability allows the Hell knight to select one of the following domains: Artifice, Glory, Knowledge, Law, Magic, Nobility, Protection, Rune, Strength, Travel, and War. The Hell knight gains all of the granted powers (but not domain spells) of that domain, treating his Hell knight levels as Cleric levels to determine what domain abilities he has access to. Quote: An inquisitor can select one domain from among those belonging to her deity. ... Each domain grants a number of domain powers, depending on the level of the inquisitor. An inquisitor does not gain the bonus spells listed for each domain, nor does she gain bonus spell slots. The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers. Quote: A cleric chooses two domains from among those belonging to her deity. ... Each domain grants a number of domain powers, dependent upon the level of the cleric, as well as a number of bonus spells. I'm not sure what you're using to distinguish between Hellknight and Inquisitor. Or Cleric for that matter.
I only found this:
Quote: Pentamic Faith: The Hell knight gains all granted powers of the Law domain (but not domain spells), treating his Hell knight level as his cleric level. when I did my search.
Your info, assuming it is a direct quote would make me think it was allowed, so both classes would work.
edit: I see what it was. I just looked at one specific build, instead of the entire class rules.
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