| Jeff Clem |
Can you quicken a first level spell(true strike) in a wand.
There are 2 traits that allow you to cast one spell with out raising the caster level when using meta magic feats(see below). True Strike + quicken = 5 level slot - two slots = 3 level spell equivalent.
3 X 5 x 75o= 11500gp. Quickened wand. I think this works. Thanks for your input.
Magic Traits >
Magical Lineage
One of your parents was a gifted spellcaster who not only used metamagic often, but also developed many magical items and perhaps even a new spell or two—and you have inherited a fragment of this greatness.
Benefit: Pick one spell when you choose this trait. When you apply metamagic feats to this spell that add at least 1 level to the spell, treat its actual level as 1 lower for determining the spell's final adjusted level.
Regional Traits >
Metamagic Master
Your ability to alter your spell of choice is greater than expected.
Choose: A spell of 3rd level or below.
Benefit: When you use the chosen spell with a metamagic feat, it uses up a spell slot one level lower than it normally would.
| Te'Shen |
. . . While item creation costs are handled in detail below, note that normally the two primary factors are the caster level of the creator and the level of the spell or spells put into the item. A creator can create an item at a lower caster level than her own, but never lower than the minimum level needed to cast the needed spell. Using metamagic feats, a caster can place spells in items at a higher level than normal. . .
. . . Table: Wands gives sample prices for wands created at the lowest possible caster level for each spellcasting class. Note that some spells appear at different levels for different casters. The level of such spells depends on the caster crafting the wand. . . .
. . . Wands use the spell trigger activation method, so casting a spell from a wand is usually a standard action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity. (If the spell being cast has a longer casting time than 1 action, however, it takes that long to cast the spell from a wand.) . . . .
Specifically, your caster level matters and the level of spell you place in the item. A person with these traits treats it as a third level spell. The caster level necessary to cast a third level spell is fifth level for wizards. So I am leaning toward, yes, if you have both traits and the prerequisites for crafting the item, you can make a wand like this.
However, it still won't help. Applying quicken to the wand wouldn't matter because it's usually a standard action to cast a spell from a wand. The exception to this is if the spell has a longer casting time than one standard action, then go with the longer casting time.
Then again, I could be wrong. Most of the games I play, we don't have a lot of down time to craft, and therefore, I'm not as up on the crafting rules as I'd like to be.
| Te'Shen |
There's no rule to allow you to apply traits to wand spells.
A quickened true strike is fifth level spell, so that's beyond range for wands.
So... to repeat, the two primary factors are the caster level of the creator and the level of the spell or spells put into the item. Some spells appear at different levels for different casters. Since the level of such spells depends on the caster crafting the wand, if one were able to cast a spell as such (as 4th level or lower), he could craft a wand as such. At least, that's what I gathered from a quick look at the srd.
Where, do you feel, is my error?
Magda routinely casts Quickened Truestrike as a 5th level Domain spell. With shenanigans one can make it a 4th level spell. There's no way one will ever get that effect from a wand.
By RAW you can cast a quickened truestrike as a first level spell with spell perfection. The question is, are there better things to do with a feat at level 15+? To which I would answer, Probably. No shenanigans are involved there. Traits aren't shenanigans either. A GM may prohibit them for a game, but were they are used, some lower metamagic costs for a single spell, and they could conceivably stack.
| Te'Shen |
Huuu, so you can add metamagic feats when crafting a wand ? Hoooo! Ô_Ô
Edit: do you need the feat for the crafting, or can you forgo with a +5 ?
Yes.
Magic Items and Metamagic Spells: With the right item creation feat, you can store a metamagic version of a spell in a scroll, potion, or wand. Level limits for potions and wands apply to the spell's higher spell level (after the application of the metamagic feat). A character doesn't need the metamagic feat to activate an item storing a metamagic version of a spell.
But I'm not sure about the second part.
When you cast the spell during item creation it would benefit from the level reduction, however it is still a 5th level item and is priced accordingly. Also, the final adjusted level is too high for a wand. Lastly, it is still a standard action to use the item.
How do you get this part?
And as earlier in the thread, because of the activation method of wands, I am aware quicken will not work. Otherwise, if the adjusted level of the spell is 4th or less at the time of casting, it is a 4th level or less for the caster, the same way wall of stone is a 4th level spell for a summoner, but 5th level for just about everyone else. If it's adjusted to less, it is less.