you absolutely can. It's just there's less direct benefit to ranged-rage than there is to melee-rage, so it's not as common.
thats true. Bow+Rage= all good. Arcane Archer+ Rage might give you a bit of an issue, particularly the spellcasting bits.
I see no problem with archery per se during a rage, although a GM could rule that aiming a bow requires concentration and is not possible to aim a bow during a rage.
While a GM is allowed to rule as he sees fit I'd like to ask such a GM whether barbarians in his game are allowed to breathe, keep him self from getting his trousers wet, talk, etc.
The barbarian is allowed to do everything that is not specifically called out. He can, for example do sneak attack damage, fight defensively, use ready actions, use combat maneuvers.
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Go Urban Barbarian. He can use both normal Rage, and a Controlled Rage, which could be used to up your Dex to improve your archery.
This is by no means available in all games as it results from a case of RAW being a bit unclear and this clearly not being RAI. Check with your GM.
Go Urban Barbarian. He can use both normal Rage, and a Controlled Rage, which could be used to up your Dex to improve your archery.This is by no means available in all games as it results from a case of RAW being a bit unclear and this clearly not being RAI. Check with your GM.
Not sure how the rules are unclear or how what he said is clearly not the RAI.
The ability does not replace Rage and even goes out of its way to say "INSTEAD OF making a normal rage she MAY apply a +4 morale bonus to her Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution.".
This is in stark contrast to similar abilities which will always say "Instead of <Normal effects> the <Class feature> works as X as compared to Y".
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Not sure how the rules are unclear or how what he said is clearly not the RAI.
The ability does not replace Rage and even goes out of its way to say "INSTEAD OF making a normal rage she MAY apply a +4 morale bonus to her Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution.".
This is in stark contrast to similar abilities which will always say "Instead of <Normal effects> the <Class feature> works as X as compared to Y".
'May' in context means about the same thing as 'must', it's poor wording, but not intended to give both options as cited here and in just about every thread that discusses the subject (you can search and find several). There are certainly people who'd allow it, but they are not in the majority.
I'm not saying it doesn't work RAW...it does. I'm saying it's unintended and many GMs (myself included) won't allow it. So before basing a build on it you should check with the GM.
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Not sure how the rules are unclear or how what he said is clearly not the RAI.
The ability does not replace Rage and even goes out of its way to say "INSTEAD OF making a normal rage she MAY apply a +4 morale bonus to her Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution.".
This is in stark contrast to similar abilities which will always say "Instead of <Normal effects> the <Class feature> works as X as compared to Y".
'May' in context means about the same thing as 'must', it's poor wording, but not intended to give both options as cited here and in just about every thread that discusses the subject (you can search and find several). There are certainly people who'd allow it, but they are not in the majority.
I'm not saying it doesn't work RAW...it does. I'm saying it's unintended and many GMs (myself included) won't allow it. So before basing a build on it you should check with the GM.
May is an OPTION, Must is a REQUIREMENT.
Vastly different meaning, and RAW, as written, the Urban Barbarian would get the choice. Until there is an errata or FAQ on it released. James can do FAQs, for Golarion-related stuff...
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May is an OPTION, Must is a REQUIREMENT.
Vastly different meaning, and RAW, as written, the Urban Barbarian would get the choice. Until there is an errata or FAQ on it released. James can do FAQs, for Golarion-related stuff...
Again, not saying it doesn't work RAW. I'm saying that there have been several threads about it, and a post indicating that may not be RAI, and based on said threads it seems like about half of people don't allow it. Which means you should talk to your GM before building based on the assumption it works like that, since he might rule it to not work that way.
Not sure how the rules are unclear or how what he said is clearly not the RAI.
The ability does not replace Rage and even goes out of its way to say "INSTEAD OF making a normal rage she MAY apply a +4 morale bonus to her Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution.".
This is in stark contrast to similar abilities which will always say "Instead of <Normal effects> the <Class feature> works as X as compared to Y".
'May' in context means about the same thing as 'must', it's poor wording, but not intended to give both options as cited here and in just about every thread that discusses the subject (you can search and find several). There are certainly people who'd allow it, but they are not in the majority.
I'm not saying it doesn't work RAW...it does. I'm saying it's unintended and many GMs (myself included) won't allow it. So before basing a build on it you should check with the GM.
Ehhh, I take rules quotes from JJ with a grain of salt. He's the setting and story guy, not the rules guy. If there's something from SKR or Jason Buhlman, or SRM though, I'll take that.
It's just not worded in such a way that even implies that it's supposed to be the only option. It doesn't replace the ability and lacks wording that even other Barbarian archetypes that change Rage have (like Mad Dog's "You get it, but at level-3" and Wild Rager's "It works as Rage, except it does this" rather than Urban Barbarian's "You may do this if you choose").
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Well, the issue with barb archers is how feat intensive archery is.
Without the level 1 fighter dip, he'd have difficulty in the first few levels. Also, he's almost completely invested into archery, which has nothing wrong with it, but archer barbarians in general are not the best ideas for casual players. Though, for someone who has great system mastery, the barbarian makes a good if not great archer ( I honestly haven't done much comparing with specifically built barbarians).
If you can correct the pricing, can you also...
There's a sentence about increasing both dexterity and strength with rage, which cannot be done. (under the section "Barbarian archetypes".
Change "items 12th level" to "items 13th level"
Other than that, a good build.
Yes it can. You can split the bonuses between the stats. +2 Str/+2 Dex is a definite possibility.
Two points
1)the build question was about bloodrager not barbarian.
Irrelevant, Rage and Bloodrage are identical in function.
2)my point was not about using a bow during a rage but about aiming a bow.
It was a bad one. Aiming a bow requires no more concentration than aiming a sword blow, and any GM that rules otherwise is a terrible GM you should leave immediately before he does something worse.
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Isn't this what the Adaptive weapon special ability is for?
Seems to me that a Bowbarian could be nasty, despite being at least somewhat feat-starved.
Scary levels of static damage bonuses are possible.
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No, it wouldn't be a good idea to revisit that question, because that interpretation of Rage is frankly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of.
Rage is not supposed to make you a frothing moron who's too dumb to open a door.
There is no question about sneak attacking during a rage. It works fine.
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I was specifically hoping to see whether Arcane Archer was a good option from the Bloodrager as a starting class so that I could switch to it with full BAB at 7th level. The consensus appears to be that archery will work with Rage, but that the various supernatural abilities of the Arcane Archer would not work with Rage active. Would this necessarily be true for all of the Arcane Archer's supernatural abilities, though?
I was specifically hoping to see whether Arcane Archer was a good option from the Bloodrager as a starting class so that I could switch to it with full BAB at 7th level. The consensus appears to be that archery will work with Rage, but that the various supernatural abilities of the Arcane Archer would not work with Rage active. Would this necessarily be true for all of the Arcane Archer's supernatural abilities, though?
Moment of Clarity would likely alleviate those concerns about some abilities, though only once per rage.
I was specifically hoping to see whether Arcane Archer was a good option from the Bloodrager as a starting class so that I could switch to it with full BAB at 7th level. The consensus appears to be that archery will work with Rage, but that the various supernatural abilities of the Arcane Archer would not work with Rage active. Would this necessarily be true for all of the Arcane Archer's supernatural abilities, though?
You should be able to use most supernatural abilities even while raging.
I was specifically hoping to see whether Arcane Archer was a good option from the Bloodrager as a starting class so that I could switch to it with full BAB at 7th level. The consensus appears to be that archery will work with Rage, but that the various supernatural abilities of the Arcane Archer would not work with Rage active. Would this necessarily be true for all of the Arcane Archer's supernatural abilities, though?Moment of Clarity would likely alleviate those concerns about some abilities, though only once per rage.
If you can get a way to acquire fatigue immunity, that alleviates almost any concern with interactions of rage and spell casting.