Animal Companions and Size Changes for Equipment


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Grand Lodge

An interesting question arose this weekend and after searching the forums, I was unable to find an official answer. What happens to the equipment for an animal companion when it grows? For example, at level seven, a large cat (medium) grows to large size. If it was wearing +1 mithril chainmail barding, does the armor "magically" grow with the animal? Or does it have to be immediately sold for half-price and repurchased at full price including the adjustment/increase to account for large size? Or maybe you only have to play the difference?

Sure, the easy and harshest answer is the former one. It makes the most sense. However, this is a fantasy world where not everything makes sense. Maybe for PFS, you only have to pay the difference. The armor magically changing size seems the least likely action.

Thoughts?

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Very good question Bob, that I don't have the answer to.

Though I hope the answer is you only have to pay the difference.

I though Magic Armor changes size to match the wearer, but it seems I am wrong. I could not find that in the Core book.

Lantern Lodge

Dragnmoon wrote:

Very good question Bob, that I don't have the answer to.

Though I hope the answer is you only have to pay the difference.

I though Magic Armor changes size to match the wearer, but it seems I am wrong. I could not find that in the Core book.

Magic armor does not resize, neither do weapons. rings, boots, cloaks, robes all resize, since you can not buy them bigger.

OP you have to sell it back and buy the large barding. OR you can keep the animal at medium and just increase its dex and Con.

On a Side note does anyone know if Large Mithral chain shirt Barding costs 4400 or 1400, not plus it to magic yet.

Grand Lodge

Alecak wrote:
On a Side note does anyone know if Large Mithral chain shirt Barding costs 4400 or 1400, not plus it to magic yet.

It's light armour, but the cost of its mithral content might and probably should be multiplied for size and body shape.


PFSRD wrote:
"When an article of magic clothing or jewelry is discovered, most of the time size shouldn't be an issue. Many magic garments are made to be easily adjustable, or they adjust themselves magically to the wearer. Size should not keep characters of various kinds from using magic items."

Alecak, the rules seem to disagree with you.

Grand Lodge

And that's why there appears to be some ambiguity here. There is some language that seems to indicate magic items "self"-adjust to the size of the wearer, but I'm not sure that is the intention. Since there are specific rules in the CRB for buying armor for non-medium creatures with applicable price adjustments, there is at least some evidence it would not simply change size.


As far as I know, the only magic items that don't resize to fit are weapons and armor. It's your game though, play it how you like. That's the beauty of the system after all.


Doomed Hero wrote:
PFSRD wrote:
"When an article of magic clothing or jewelry is discovered, most of the time size shouldn't be an issue. Many magic garments are made to be easily adjustable, or they adjust themselves magically to the wearer. Size should not keep characters of various kinds from using magic items."
Alecak, the rules seem to disagree with you.

That's what he said, basically. Jewellery and clothing adjust ( he mentioned rings, boots, cloaks, robes) but magic arms and armour do not adjust.

Growing companions have other problems, as well:
From level 1-6 a large cat AC is better off having weapon finesse but if it learns the feat it is stuck with it.
And because RAW you could just exchange your level 7 cat with weapon finesse with one without the feat I'd let it retrain the feat when the stat changes make it useless.

And I think I would allow the pc to trade the medium sized barding vs a large sized, just paying the difference. But only in a large city where things like that might be traded more often.


Magic items "Should"(tm) resize, normal even masterwork you are sol. Also think of it as Enlarge, that makes stuff you are wearing sized to you. Being said you can house rule magic stuff attunes after being worn.


I would like to point out that the medium sized icon barbarian carries around a large magical bastard sword. It does not resize to her.

Sczarni

In a home game, feel free to rule as you wish.

In PFS, kitty's gotta get a new set of armor.


Nawtyit wrote:
I would like to point out that the medium sized icon barbarian carries around a large magical bastard sword. It does not resize to her.

Very good point.

I think the resizing issue mostly relates to things that are worn. It's why a human can kill a dwarf, take the dwarf's magical plate mail and wear it. If not for the resizing thing, there's no way dwarven armor of any kind could be resized to fit a human without serious magics like Polymorph Object.


DING! I Leveled

POP

... kitty put on some weight...

Sczarni

(dwarves and humans are both medium-sized)

Grand Lodge

I just realized this thread was moved from the PFS forum to the rules forum. That's disappointing :-(

The question was directed towards organized play. I never go to the rules forum for a home game because I can just rule in whatever way I see fit.

Sczarni

Your question was not regarding the PFS campaign.

Scarab Sages

In regards to feats, just dismiss Kitty I with Weapon Finesse and recruit Kitty II her brother with Power Attack or whatever.

In regards to armor, I just wouldn't buy expensive barding for it prior to 7th level.

Sczarni

The dilemma in PFS with releasing your Animal Companion is that the new one doesn't start with all the tricks the first one had.

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