witch hex while in rage


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Scarab Sages

Is there any ruling directly saying you cannot activate a witch's slumber hex while raging? I have a scarred witch doctor and I saw nothing saying you can or cannot use the hex while rage.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

This is the Pathfinder Society page, Scarred Witch Doctors are not legal for PFS play.

As to the question, I am not sure. I'd suggest searching and posting in the Rules section of the boards.


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Things you can't do in Rage:
1) Use skills governed by Int, Cha, or Dex, except for Acrobatics, Ride, Intimidate, or Fly. Slumber Hex is not a skill so this doesn't apply.
2) Use any ability that requires Patience or Concentration. Concentration is a codified term that's involved with spellcasting. Both Casting a spell and Maintaining an effect contingent on Concentration are prohibited while under Rage. Slumber Hex isn't a spell and Su abilities don't inherently call upon Concentration. Patience is a bit more abstract, but there are even Rage powers that help with climbing and swimming so even prolonged activity doesn't fall under the "patience" restriction. So using Slumber as a standard action certainly wouldn't test your "patience".

Thus, using a hex violates neither restriction while Raging and, thus, it can be used.

Liberty's Edge

To nit pick not all hexes are (Su), 2 are (Sp) and therefore not eligible to be used while raging.

But, the one you mention should be usable while raging. The two that would be ineligible are Poison Steep(Sp) and Swamp Hag(Sp)

Scarab Sages

Is Scarred witch Doctor banned from PFS because of the rule "Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats,
and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race?

Cause can't a half-orc pick scarred witch doctor due to RAW?

Sovereign Court

That has been discussed here.

Short answer is that it's not allowed because it's an orc racial archetype, not half-orc.


It's banned in PFS due to the Additional Resources stating: "In Chapter 2, nothing from the catfolk, drow, hobgoblins, kobolds, orcs, and ratfolk entries are currently legal for play." for the ARG.


Sacril wrote:

Is Scarred witch Doctor banned from PFS because of the rule "Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats,

and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race?

Cause can't a half-orc pick scarred witch doctor due to RAW?

They could by RAW but in Additional Resources it says that things from the Orc section of the ARG are not legal for play

Shadow Lodge

Also a barbarian cannot use any Intelligence based skill or anything that requires patience or concentration. The patience and concentration bit is somewhat up to GM interpretation but I think a pretty solid argument can be made that Witch hexes require the witch to concentrate on the target of the Hex to an extent which would mean they can't be used in a rage without Moment of Clarity.


PatientWolf wrote:
Also a barbarian cannot use any Intelligence based skill or anything that requires patience or concentration. The patience and concentration bit is somewhat up to GM interpretation but I think a pretty solid argument can be made that Witch hexes require the witch to concentrate on the target of the Hex to an extent which would mean they can't be used in a rage without Moment of Clarity.

An argument can be made for almost anything, but certain thing specifically call out concentration in the game. Using SU's is not one of them.

Shadow Lodge

wraithstrike wrote:
PatientWolf wrote:
Also a barbarian cannot use any Intelligence based skill or anything that requires patience or concentration. The patience and concentration bit is somewhat up to GM interpretation but I think a pretty solid argument can be made that Witch hexes require the witch to concentrate on the target of the Hex to an extent which would mean they can't be used in a rage without Moment of Clarity.
An argument can be made for almost anything, but certain thing specifically call out concentration in the game. Using SU's is not one of them.

The line about patience or concentration isn't referencing Concentration as in casting spells. Notice it doesn't say you can't use an ability that requires a Concentration check just that it precludes any ability that requires patience or concentration.

PRD wrote:
While in rage, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.

It is clear that the term concentration is not being used in the mechanical sense as it is coupled with the non-mechanical term of patience. Anything that requires any measure of patience or concentration is not allowed. It doesn't define though what actions require patience or concentration be so that is up to the individual GM whether an activity does or does not.

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