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If a MoMS is fighting defensively with the new crane riposte and snake fang, does a miss invoke one or two attacks of opportunity?
A single event can only provoke one AoO from you. Since a single miss is happening, it would only provoke one.
The FAQ on Greater Trip and Vicious stomp illuminates this: It notes that there are two events: getting tripped and falling prone, and each one provokes separately. In the case of crane and snake style, there is only one. Of course, with snake fang you can spend an immediate action to strike again.
I suspect that the intent is that you should only get one, but I think it probably needs clarification. (The vicious stomp/greater trip thing was a lot clearer from day one, but this has some grey to it.)
With Greater Trip + Vicious Stomp one trigger is you succeeding on the roll to trip the opponent and the other is the opponent falling prone. That seems like a pretty subtle difference, but I can see what they mean. I wonder if the event of the opponent missing is sufficiently different than the event of him missing due to Crane Wing that it and Snake Fang just might work together too. I don't really think so, but it seems worth getting clarified.
As an aside, JB later clarified that only feats which specifically mention Total Defense allow you to make AoOs while using Total Defense. That makes the auto-deflect option in the new Crane Wing a little less attractive since you can't get those extra AoOs from Snake Fang.
As an aside, JB later clarified that only feats which specifically mention Total Defense allow you to make AoOs while using Total Defense. That makes the auto-deflect option in the new Crane Wing a little less attractive since you can't get those extra AoOs from Snake Fang.
He also revised crane riposte though:
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1g1#v5748eaic9rmn"Update: Page 93, in the Crane Riposte feat, in the benefits paragraph, change the second sentence to read as follows: Whenever you are fighting defensively, and you use Crane Wing to add a dodge bonus against one attack, that attack provokes an attack of opportunity from you if it misses. In addition, when you deflect an attack using Crane Wing while taking the total defense action, you may make an attack of opportunity against that opponent (even though you could not normally do so while taking the total defense action)."
You could almost argue that one AoO is for missing (snake fang) and one AoO is for missing while fighting defensively with Crane wing.
I think clarification is needed from the dev's.
Yeah, the potential if paper thin "difference" is something I was referencing in the first part of my previous post. I'll go ahead and press the FAQ button.
Where do people keep getting this "a single event can only provoke one AoO" thing?
I would think the Ranged Touch spell FAQ and the Elephant Stomp/Greater Trip FAQ should have killed that long ago. That's two examples of one action provoking multiple AoOs.
Those are different events. When you're casting a spell in a threatened square, casting the spell is what provokes. Then when you go to make a ranged attack, that provokes separately. Likewise, with overrun or other combat maneuvers, moving as part of a charge to perform the maneuver is separate from the actual maneuver itself. Both can provoke.
We may have different definitions of the word event, then.
In my eyes, it's one event. There's only a single action happening there.
Just because there's multiple reasons in the event that provokes does not make them separate events.