Kryzbyn's already beat me to the coppers attack headphones-wearing, jaywalking white girl, I see.indeed, this happened in Texas. What say you, Barcas?
I haven't looked to closely at it, but she seems to have been jaywalking, right? She followed it up by being entirely uncooperative and hostile. She was charged with Failure to Identify, which is a misdemeanor. (It is a Class C - i.e. fine only, though you can be jailed to be identified - misdemeanor to not give a name at all, or a Class B - 180 day maximum jail time - misdemeanor to not give a name while having warrants; it is a Class B misdemeanor to give a false name or a Class A - 1 year maximum jail time - misdemeanor to give a false name while having warrants.) While jaywalking is not a huge deal to me, I understand that they were at that location specifically to stop jaywalkers because of a large number of auto-pedestrian fatalities over the last few years. They were in uniform, so her shock and surprise (understandable considering the headphones) should have quickly given way to cooperation. Did they "attack" her in any way other than whatever force was reasonable and necessary to restrain her?
It was handled pretty poorly all around, I'll give you that. So much for post-racial America, I guess.All the case did was create a new racial rift, prove the initial prosecutor actually knew what he was talking about when he refused to prosecute, and created a case for ongoing racial problems that will likely keep echoing into the future.
As someone who lived it (yes, I am that old but not too old), I remember when this racial divide "happened"...or at least so much now out in the open (while in grade school in the 1970s, I had the impression that everyone got along "just fine").
It all started with that Howard Beach incident here in New York City in the early to mid-1980s.
At the time as a teenager, I remember saying to myself, this is probably an isolated incident, or maybe it wasn't a racial incident as they made it out to be, but this and the subsequent huge media coverage that followed created this racial rift that never went away.
Seriously? The racial divide started in the 80s?
That would be after all the issues from the Jim Crow era were completely resolved and racial harmony reigned for what? Almost a decade, maybe.I suspect your memories of everything being "just fine" have more to do with you being in grade school than any actual racial harmony.
hey man, it happens to us all. I was a real youngun during the things Anklebiter linked, and I was living in ny.
Austin's police chief apologizes for bizarre defense of officers who arrested jaywalker
"Cops are actually committing sexual assaults on duty so I thank God that this is what passes for a controversy in Austin, Tex."
Later, he said, "...[I]n hindsight, I believe the comparison was a poor analogy, and for this I apologize".
She was charged with Failure to Identify, which is a misdemeanor[/quoe]
Your papers, citizen....
I haven't looked to closely at it, but she seems to have been jaywalking, right? She followed it up by being entirely uncooperative and hostile. She was charged with Failure to Identify, which is a misdemeanor. (It is a Class C - i.e. fine only, though you can be jailed to be identified - misdemeanor to not give a name at all, or a Class B - 180 day maximum jail time - misdemeanor to not give a name while having warrants; it is a Class B misdemeanor to give a false name or a Class A - 1 year maximum jail time - misdemeanor to give a false name while having warrants.) While jaywalking is not a huge deal to me, I understand that they were at that location specifically to stop jaywalkers because of a large number of auto-pedestrian fatalities over the last few years. They were in uniform, so her shock and surprise (understandable considering the headphones) should have quickly given way to cooperation. Did they "attack" her in any way other than whatever force was reasonable and necessary to restrain her?Kryzbyn's already beat me to the coppers attack headphones-wearing, jaywalking white girl, I see.indeed, this happened in Texas. What say you, Barcas?
I would think writing her a ticket and moving on, instead of getting 2 other policemen and throwing her into the cruiser would have sufficed.
I think this is just bad "bedside manner" on the part of the officers.
Except that Madison has exceptionally low crime, and no police officer has been killed in the line of duty in decades here. I could get your point (maybe) if it were in a gangland warzone, but this is suburbia.I've no idea where you get disease.
Didn't I mention a 12% pay bump if you're actually educated, and a contractually guaranteed 3.5% pay increase per year. Within 5 years you could be making 60 within 5 years, for a less than full time job in which there is basically 0% chance of serious injury or death.
But if risk of death or injury is a marker for absolutely inordinate pay, police isn't even one of the 10 most dangerous jobs in the country.
According to FBI statistics, I have a 10.2% chance per year chance of being assaulted. (Well, in truth, as a detective, my odds of being injured or killed have gone way down.) I have a 2% chance per year of having someone try to murder me. Fortunately, thanks to armor, training, caution, and tactics, most (98-99%) of the attempted murders fail. If everyone who tried to murder a police officer succeeded, we would have 10,000 dead officers a year - and we'd be #1 with a bullet. (That's not counting the increased danger from driving.) There were 463 work-related homicides in the United States in 2012; 48 of them were police officers. Now, how much would you like to be paid knowing that people are willing and ready to murder you?
I would think writing her a ticket and moving on, instead of getting 2 other policemen and throwing her into the cruiser would have sufficed.
I think this is just bad "bedside manner" on the part of the officers.
Let's think it through. What was she charged with? Failure to Identify. As a jogger, it is unlikely that she had identification on her person. To whom should they have written the ticket?
So, anyway, I was only skimming the re-hash of the Martin-Zimmerman stuff, so forgive me if I'm repeating points made by others, but...
I always kinda thought the "Is Zimmerman white?/Is Zimmie a racist?" debate was kinda missing the point:
Young black kid gets killed, cops show up, hey, no big deal, George, happens all the time, no, don't worry about it, we'll take care of it. And then the family has to wage a 30-day Twitter campaign with the not always useful help of Spike Lee and the New Black Panthers before the state even charges him with anything.
Now, for the sake of devil's advocacy, which probably isn't warranted but whatever, let's assume that everybody in the Zimmie case wasn't racist. We still end up with a dead black kid that, if left to their own devices, the cops and courts would've done nothing about.
Sounds like a win for the Critical Race theory profs to me.
The case was utterly unwinnable for the State from a legal standpoint, regardless of Zimmerman's personal thoughts or feelings.
Let's think it through. What was she charged with? Failure to Identify. As a jogger, it is unlikely that she had identification on her person. To whom should they have written the ticket?
I would think writing her a ticket and moving on, instead of getting 2 other policemen and throwing her into the cruiser would have sufficed.
I think this is just bad "bedside manner" on the part of the officers.
time to arrest joggers then. Few of them have pockets in their short shorts, and according to witnesses, the police were all too eager to haul her in. Maybe my tinfoil hats on a bit tight, but I'm thinking they were looking for joggers to bother - its an easy way to inflate arrest numbers and make it took like you're doing you're job during a potentially slow month.
The case was utterly unwinnable for the State from a legal standpoint, regardless of Zimmerman's personal thoughts or feelings.So, anyway, I was only skimming the re-hash of the Martin-Zimmerman stuff, so forgive me if I'm repeating points made by others, but...
I always kinda thought the "Is Zimmerman white?/Is Zimmie a racist?" debate was kinda missing the point:
Young black kid gets killed, cops show up, hey, no big deal, George, happens all the time, no, don't worry about it, we'll take care of it. And then the family has to wage a 30-day Twitter campaign with the not always useful help of Spike Lee and the New Black Panthers before the state even charges him with anything.
Now, for the sake of devil's advocacy, which probably isn't warranted but whatever, let's assume that everybody in the Zimmie case wasn't racist. We still end up with a dead black kid that, if left to their own devices, the cops and courts would've done nothing about.
Sounds like a win for the Critical Race theory profs to me.
That's a rather compact statement. Care to elaborate?
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If you don't have the powers of observation to see that a jogger can't hear you with those giant headphones on and is in the middle of jogging you aren't smart enough to be trusted with a nerf dart gun, much less real power.
According to FBI statistics, I have a 10.2% chance per year chance of being assaulted. (Well, in truth, as a detective, my odds of being injured or killed have gone way down.) I have a 2% chance per year of having someone try to murder me. Fortunately, thanks to armor, training, caution, and tactics, most (98-99%) of the attempted murders fail. If everyone who tried to murder a police officer succeeded, we would have 10,000 dead officers a year - and we'd be #1 with a bullet. (That's not counting the increased danger from driving.) There were 463 work-related homicides in the United States in 2012; 48 of them were police officers. Now, how much would you like to be paid knowing that people are willing and ready to murder you?
Except that Madison has exceptionally low crime, and no police officer has been killed in the line of duty in decades here. I could get your point (maybe) if it were in a gangland warzone, but this is suburbia.I've no idea where you get disease.
Didn't I mention a 12% pay bump if you're actually educated, and a contractually guaranteed 3.5% pay increase per year. Within 5 years you could be making 60 within 5 years, for a less than full time job in which there is basically 0% chance of serious injury or death.
But if risk of death or injury is a marker for absolutely inordinate pay, police isn't even one of the 10 most dangerous jobs in the country.
People can kill me(more likely injure or attempt to injure, although I have lost colleagues before) because they're having a bad day and I don't make a lot of money.
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That's a rather compact statement. Care to elaborate?
The case was utterly unwinnable for the State from a legal standpoint, regardless of Zimmerman's personal thoughts or feelings.
The case would not have met the legal burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. Did he? I couldn't say. I wasn't there. I do know that I can't reasonably discount the possibility. This isn't civil court, where the burden of proof is a preponderance of evidence. This is criminal court, where beyond a reasonable doubt is a high burden to meet. The State was never going to win that case with the facts they had on the ground.
The case would not have met the legal burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. Did he? I couldn't say. I wasn't there. I do know that I can't reasonably discount the possibility. This isn't civil court, where the burden of proof is a preponderance of evidence. This is criminal court, where beyond a reasonable doubt is a high burden to meet. The State was never going to win that case with the facts they had on the ground.That's a rather compact statement. Care to elaborate?
The case was utterly unwinnable for the State from a legal standpoint, regardless of Zimmerman's personal thoughts or feelings.
there were a lot of things mishandled in this case. I do wonder what would have happened if the first person that was eager to try him was not told to stop asking questions by his superior.
People can kill me(more likely injure or attempt to injure, although I have lost colleagues before) because they're having a bad day and I don't make a lot of money.
Is it a particularly likely possibility? There are (according to the BLS) over 600,000 social workers with a median pay of $44,200. There were 6 homicides in 2012 of social workers, according to the BLS. I can't find any statistics about assaults of social workers in the BLS data. However, I'd like you to imagine facing off with someone having a bad day. Now, do that three or four times a week and keep in mind that they will often be armed.
People can kill me(more likely injure or attempt to injure, although I have lost colleagues before) because they're having a bad day and I don't make a lot of money.Is it a particularly likely possibility? There are (according to the BLS) over 600,000 social workers with a median pay of $44,200. There were 6 homicides in 2012 of social workers, according to the BLS. I can't find any statistics about assaults of social workers in the BLS data. However, I'd like you to imagine facing off with someone having a bad day. Now, do that three or four times a week and keep in mind that they will often be armed.
Yes but you get a bullet proof vest a night stick a taser mace self defense training and the legal ability to smack people upside the head. He has a pen, a stapler, a tie and will probably get fired for getting into a physical assault.
there were a lot of things mishandled in this case. I do wonder what would have happened if the first person that was eager to try him was not told to stop asking questions by his superior.
I'm pretty far from an expert in this case. From what I've seen, the police did a fair job. They questioned him with skepticism, trying to test his story - which is important. They compared his story to the physical evidence at hand, trying to ensure that it was consistent. They questioned the witnesses up and down the street, taking plenty of statements. This was all done before the media outcry. One of the detectives who worked the case wanted to get charges, but the prosecutor knew the same thing that became quite clear: there was no way to make it to that legal burden of beyond a reasonable doubt.
Yes but you get a bullet proof vest a night stick a taser mace self defense training and the legal ability to smack people upside the head. He has a pen, a stapler, a tie and will probably get fired for getting into a physical assault.
Fortunately. Most of the attempted murders of police officers fail for this reason - and because of the completely reason expectation that we are going to bring a better weapon to the fight than those who would do us harm. It is because of the likelihood of someone trying to kill us that we wear armor and bear arms.
I don't use mace. It's fallen far out of favor because of how inaccurate it is. Everyone knows that if you spray someone, it's coming right back at you. Most officers (here, at least) carry one or two non-lethal options, usually a Taser and an expandable baton.
People can kill me(more likely injure or attempt to injure, although I have lost colleagues before) because they're having a bad day and I don't make a lot of money.Is it a particularly likely possibility? There are (according to the BLS) over 600,000 social workers with a median pay of $44,200. There were 6 homicides in 2012 of social workers, according to the BLS. I can't find any statistics about assaults of social workers in the BLS data. However, I'd like you to imagine facing off with someone having a bad day. Now, do that three or four times a week and keep in mind that they will often be armed.
I do it five days a week. I just had someone who outweighs me by a few pounds(I've let myself go...) curse me out and threaten me verbally. I don't lose sleep over it now but a few years ago I sure did.
Anything can be a weapon. We don't do a full cavity search at my job - someone could be armed with a real gun and I wouldn't know.
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Yes but you get a bullet proof vest a night stick a taser mace self defense training and the legal ability to smack people upside the head. He has a pen, a stapler, a tie and will probably get fired for getting into a physical assault.People can kill me(more likely injure or attempt to injure, although I have lost colleagues before) because they're having a bad day and I don't make a lot of money.Is it a particularly likely possibility? There are (according to the BLS) over 600,000 social workers with a median pay of $44,200. There were 6 homicides in 2012 of social workers, according to the BLS. I can't find any statistics about assaults of social workers in the BLS data. However, I'd like you to imagine facing off with someone having a bad day. Now, do that three or four times a week and keep in mind that they will often be armed.
They took away the stapler actually. Could have been used as a weapon against me. They left the tape dispenser though, and I keep the hole punch (which could be a real weapon considering the weight and metallic construction) on my side of the desk at all times. I do have a pretty cool conch shell on the other side of the desk, so someone having a bad day could potentially throw it at me, or use it to summon aquaman, who would be pissed at having to come this far inland through polluted water and will likely kick my ass.
Beaten by aquaman... How would I live that down...
It was handled pretty poorly all around, I'll give you that. So much for post-racial America, I guess.All the case did was create a new racial rift, prove the initial prosecutor actually knew what he was talking about when he refused to prosecute, and created a case for ongoing racial problems that will likely keep echoing into the future.
As someone who lived it (yes, I am that old but not too old), I remember when this racial divide "happened"...or at least so much now out in the open (while in grade school in the 1970s, I had the impression that everyone got along "just fine").
It all started with that Howard Beach incident here in New York City in the early to mid-1980s.
At the time as a teenager, I remember saying to myself, this is probably an isolated incident, or maybe it wasn't a racial incident as they made it out to be, but this and the subsequent huge media coverage that followed created this racial rift that never went away.
Seriously? The racial divide started in the 80s?
That would be after all the issues from the Jim Crow era were completely resolved and racial harmony reigned for what? Almost a decade, maybe.I suspect your memories of everything being "just fine" have more to do with you being in grade school than any actual racial harmony.
Technically, he could be correct, in that the modern racial divide is actually different from the old racial divide in a few ways. Practically? Technicalities like that don't actually matter; the basis for racism is the same and a lot of the racist actions are the same.
So even if he's technically correct, it's still pretty much the same ol' racism.
Or it proved the prosecutor was bad. They didn't have the evidence, but did they try? I have seen multiple prosecutors and some defense attorneys say that from what they could tell both the police work and prosecutorial work was shotty. Which goes to add to the argument that the cops were racist.The massive problem with the Zimmerman case? The cops and prosecutor initially said that there wasn't enough evidence to disprove Zimmerman's claims and they doubted they would get a conviction.
What did the jury say? There wasn't enough evidence to disprove Zimmerman's claims and they weren't going to convict.
Then the prosecutor ended up being investigated for prosecutorial misconduct.
All the case did was create a new racial rift, prove the initial prosecutor actually knew what he was talking about when he refused to prosecute, and created a case for ongoing racial problems that will likely keep echoing into the future.
Yeah, the prosecutor tried. The prosecutor who went after Zimmerman had a lot of political kudos to gain from getting a conviction. In fact, the prosecutor isn't under investigation for things related to the Zimmerman case, but for firing someone who testified about prosecutors refusing to turn over evidence to defense. There's been a lot of eyebrows raised over that and some questions as to if evidence was suppressed in the Zimmerman case as well. However, given that Zimmerman was acquitted and any evidence suppressed would just be further evidence in his favor, no one is in any hurry to investigate.
And the police work was shoddy. But it's a small, wealthy community where the son of a judge shot someone with a background that suggested they were headed for criminal activity. It would have gotten shoddier when the police did a basic background check and discovered both were technically minorities and that Zimmerman also had a criminal background. If police there are like police here, they would've written it off as, to put it as one cop has outright said, "one lowlife offing another lowlife." Pretty much, the police would've felt no incentive to do a proper investigation just due to the backgrounds of both people.
Yeah, it's racist. But it doesn't change the fact that the initial prosecutor was ultimately proven correct.
When staplers are outlawed only outlaws will have staplers!
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Outlaws and Milton.
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Outlaws and Milton.
Well, yes. But that's because if you take Milton's stapler, he'll burn your place down, discover a check holding all of your profits while he's there, and retire to a tropical island.
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But he had to burn down the building, ya know?
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The case was utterly unwinnable for the State from a legal standpoint, regardless of Zimmerman's personal thoughts or feelings.
Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn't know.
However, I stand by what I wrote above:
"Young black kid gets killed, cops show up, hey, no big deal, George, happens all the time, no, don't worry about it, we'll take care of it. And then the family has to wage a 30-day Twitter campaign with the not always useful help of Spike Lee and the New Black Panthers before the state even charges him with anything.
"Now, for the sake of devil's advocacy, which probably isn't warranted but whatever, let's assume that everybody in the Zimmie case wasn't racist. We still end up with a dead black kid that, if left to their own devices, the cops and courts would've done nothing about."
Trayvon Martin Case Salts Old Wounds And Racial Tension
Which still calls Zimmerman white, but, later, gets to the good stuff:
"Lee’s predecessor, Brian Tooley, was forced from office last year following a scandal involving a lieutenant’s son who was captured on video attacking a homeless black man. Police officers reportedly questioned him but did not arrest him. The officer’s son, Justin Collison, 21, later turned himself in after the video surfaced on YouTube and was charged in the attack.
"Collison's family paid an undisclosed sum to the homeless man, Sherman Ware, and Ware asked prosecutors to drop the case. They didn't, and Collison eventually pleaded no contest and received probation, according to the Orlando Sentinel.
"But the 2005 killing of a black teenager, Travares McGill, by two white security guards, one the son of a Sanford Police officer, drove city race relations to a modern low, according to some black residents.
"Early one summer morning, security guards Patrick Swofford and Bryan Ansley saw McGill dropping off a group of friends in the parking lot of the apartment complex they were hired to guard, according to published reports. They claimed McGill tried to run them down, and both fired, later claiming self-defense. McGill was pronounced dead at the scene. Swofford was a police department volunteer and Ansley is the son of a former veteran of the force.
"The pair was arrested and charged, Swofford with manslaughter and Ansley with firing into an occupied vehicle. But a judge later cited lack of evidence and dismissed both cases. According to autopsy reports, McGill suffered fatal gunshot wounds to the back, and it was unclear if the pair was in danger.
“'People are outraged because they never recovered from the last shooting, or recovered from the beating a year or so ago with the policeman’s son,' said Turner. 'All of these things are escalating and simmering, and it’s going to reach a point where it’s going to explode.'"
Gee, I wonder why it turned into a racial divide?
According to FBI statistics, I have a 10.2% chance per year chance of being assaulted. (Well, in truth, as a detective, my odds of being injured or killed have gone way down.) I have a 2% chance per year of having someone try to murder me. Fortunately, thanks to armor, training, caution, and tactics, most (98-99%) of the attempted murders fail. If everyone who tried to murder a police officer succeeded, we would have 10,000 dead officers a year - and we'd be #1 with a bullet. (That's not counting the increased danger from driving.) There were 463 work-related homicides in the United States in 2012; 48 of them were police officers. Now, how much would you like to be paid knowing that people are willing and ready to murder you?
Those statistics are for the US, not for Madison, Wisconsin, which has a crime rate significantly lower than the national average.
I checked, there have been 4 line of duty deaths in the MMPD in the past CENTURY, the last being roughly 80 years ago.
If, as you're suggesting, people need to be paid more when there is a risk of injury or death, why then are cops paid so much when the risk is, for practical purposes, zero?
Also, barely 10% of work-related HOMICIDES were cops? How can you even complain?
So, to answer your question, in Madison where the violent crime rate is significantly lower than the national average, and the chances of getting killed are basically nil, I'd happily be a police officer for about 30k/year. Which is still 25% above the median individual income (26k).
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You know, to be fair, I never really listened to any of Zimmerman's defenders. I have no idea what they'd say.
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You know, to be fair, I never really listened to any of Zimmerman's defenders. I have no idea what they'd say.
Alright, you got me, that was pretty funny.
That's the right answer, isn't it?
For a certain definition of right yes...
I guess it comes from simple ethnocentricity. I figure what goes in New York applies to the rest of the country as well.
So I guess this racial rift created by the Howard Beach incident applies specifically to New York City.
Well, from the Anti-Draft Riots of the Civil War to the Harlem Riot of '64, from Gravesend in '82 to Bernie Goetz in '84, that seems like a pretty untenable theory to me, but what do I know? I'm from New Hampshire.
Still, I think the Howard Beach incident had more of a national impact that went beyond just New York City in terms of racial politics and issues.
Because the black people got uppity and made a big unjustified fuss about a simple case of justified self defense. And the kid was growing up to be a thug anyway.
It does seem odd to me that at the beginning, all the pictures they broadcasted of Trayvon Martin was that when he was an adorable little boy, not the 6 foot "thug" confronted by Zimmerman.
What, you mean like these ones?
Still, I think the Howard Beach incident had more of a national impact that went beyond just New York City in terms of racial politics and issues.
[Shrugs]
You can believe what you want, I guess, but...
1976: The Soiling of Old Glory
1985: MOVE bombing and the razing of West Philadelphia
Off the top of my head. I invite others to come up with more.
And what about the other 60 homes that were burned down, and, IIR my Rachel Maddow anniversary special C, still hadn't been rebuilt 25 years later?
Still, I think the Howard Beach incident had more of a national impact that went beyond just New York City in terms of racial politics and issues.
[Shrugs]
You can believe what you want, I guess, but...
1976: The Soiling of Old Glory
1985: MOVE bombing and the razing of West Philadelphia
Off the top of my head. I invite others to come up with more.
great history, Anklebiter. Thank you.
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Of course, my comrades and I defended the Branch Davidians, too.
Wilson Goode, Janet Reno, the workers revolution will remember you!
Thanks for the input Krensky.
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Of course, my comrades and I defended the Branch Davidians, too.
Wilson Goode, Janet Reno, the workers revolution will remember you!
I have a hard time standing by a community that raped children. I would agree, they shouldn't have been burned to death in their home on purpose, but as a community the parents were subjecting their daughters to the sexual abuse of David Koresh.
I'm angry at both sides on that one. I don't think anyone, except the child victims, deserve to have others stand by them.
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Of course, my comrades and I defended the Branch Davidians, too.
Wilson Goode, Janet Reno, the workers revolution will remember you!
I have a hard time standing by a community that raped children. I would agree, they shouldn't have been burned to death in their home on purpose, but as a community the parents were subjecting their daughters to the sexual abuse of David Koresh.
I'm angry at both sides on that one. I don't think anyone, except the child victims, deserve to have others stand by them.
That's why it is I don't dig much into these cases anymore. It's surprising how often it ends up being both sides at fault. Doesn't matter if it's Waco or something racial; seven times out of ten, it's actions by both sides that caused the problem.
That's kinda why I'm of the opinion that things might change for the better if everyone sat down and shut up on racial issues, acting racist, etc. for a decade. Would give them enough time to reflect and realize just how much of it is based on bull and just how much everyone involved contributes to it.
But the day I get my wish is also the same day that Earth gets invaded by rainbow unicorns from outer space.
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Isn't that a bit like suggesting that an entire generation of people should just suck it up and not complain that they and others like themselves are systematically being oppressed.
I would think that is pretty indicative of a very serious "privilege" mindset. "I've got mine, why don't you shut it about yours."
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Of course, my comrades and I defended the Branch Davidians, too.
Wilson Goode, Janet Reno, the workers revolution will remember you!
I have a hard time standing by a community that raped children. I would agree, they shouldn't have been burned to death in their home on purpose, but as a community the parents were subjecting their daughters to the sexual abuse of David Koresh.
I'm angry at both sides on that one. I don't think anyone, except the child victims, deserve to have others stand by them.
I'm pretty sure they've got the cultists on tape pouring the gasoline.
Isn't that a bit like suggesting that an entire generation of people should just suck it up and not complain that they and others like themselves are systematically being oppressed.
I would think that is pretty indicative of a very serious "privilege" mindset. "I've got mine, why don't you shut it about yours."
No. I'm also asking for all of the oppression to stop for an entire generation. So there wouldn't be any sucking it up; there simply wouldn't be any oppression to complain about.
Which is why I made the comment about rainbow unicorns from outer space. It's less likely to happen than the sun spontaneously turning bright pink in the next 30 seconds.