Tinkergoth |
Tinkergoth wrote:Dungeon Siege (first one had Jason Statham, sequel had Dolph Lundgren, so I guess there are a couple of redeeming features),Dolph Lundgren acting is a movie is a redeeming feature? Thanks. I couldn't remember if I was down the rabbit hole or not. Turns out I am.
Never said I consider him a good actor, I just have a soft spot for him and like to see him getting work.
Set |
Bill Dunn wrote:Dolph Lundgren acting is a movie is a redeeming feature? Thanks. I couldn't remember if I was down the rabbit hole or not. Turns out I am.Never said I consider him a good actor, I just have a soft spot for him and like to see him getting work.
[heresy]I liked his Punisher movie way better than the one with Thomas Jane.[/heresy]
Set |
Heresy would be, like, admitting that you think Electra is one of the best superhero movies ever made.
...so, uh, I won't.
Dude with the ability to animate his tattoos into animals and scry through them and stuff was *awesome.*
The rest of the movie, eh. It wasn't Ghost Rider 2 levels of terrible, and it wasn't 'Wolverine: Origins' levels of 'causes comic book fans physical pain.'
I haven't seen Catwoman or Steel yet, so I'm not prepared to call anything the 'worst superhero movie ever.' :)
The 8th Dwarf |
Tinkergoth wrote:Bill Dunn wrote:Dolph Lundgren acting is a movie is a redeeming feature? Thanks. I couldn't remember if I was down the rabbit hole or not. Turns out I am.Never said I consider him a good actor, I just have a soft spot for him and like to see him getting work.[heresy]I liked his Punisher movie way better than the one with Thomas Jane.[/heresy]
Dolphs Punisher was filmed in Sydney... Dolph also has a Master's Degree in Chemical Engineering from the University of Sydney while at Uni he worked as a bouncer and bodyguard and that's how he met Grace Jones and got his break... My old Karate instructor used to work doors with him in Kings Cross.
My instructor also told me a story about an obnoxiously drunk Chuck Norris having his arse handed to him outside a nightclub in the Cross.
Slaunyeh |
I haven't seen Catwoman or Steel yet, so I'm not prepared to call anything the 'worst superhero movie ever.' :)
Catwoman only really got bad when she decided to wear the stupid hat all the time. Which is only, like, halfway through. And also, maybe, when it turns out that her nemesis is Cruella de Vil.
I liked Hale Berry better as Catwoman than Storm.
Benchak the Nightstalker RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8 |
Tinkergoth wrote:Bill Dunn wrote:Dolph Lundgren acting is a movie is a redeeming feature? Thanks. I couldn't remember if I was down the rabbit hole or not. Turns out I am.Never said I consider him a good actor, I just have a soft spot for him and like to see him getting work.[heresy]I liked his Punisher movie way better than the one with Thomas Jane.[/heresy]
Am I the only person who liked the Thomas Jane Punisher?
Set |
Am I the only person who liked the Thomas Jane Punisher?
I didn't dislike it, I just liked the first one better. As with so many 'superhero' movies, it falls down without a compelling villain, and Travolta just didn't bring it, IMO. (He was a much cooler bad-guy in Swordfish, 'though, so he definitely *can* bring it!)
That may also explain my dissatisfaction with the Hobbit. Azul is pretty one-dimensional, and Smaug has been utterly unimpressive, IMO. The only bad-guy with presence has been the Elf-King (and the Goblin King from the last movie), and he's not really the 'bad-guy.'
Peter Jackson has introduced a lot of figures, good and bad, into this narrative with Azul and Saruman and Galadriel and Legolas making appearances, and it might be that the figures that we should be focusing on, such as Smaug, may be getting a bit shortchanged.
Not that Smaug was really the ultimate villain in the Hobbit. He died off-screen, with the dwarves and Bilbo finding out about it later and having no real contribution to that.
The real villain was the effects of greed on the dwarves (and men, and elves), with the Arkenstone taking on the role of the One Ring in this story as 'the thing everyone betrays / kills each other to possess,' making it less of a standard 'good guys vs. bad guys' story, and more of a 'Reservoir Dogs in Middle-Earth' kind of tale, where, after the heist, everyone starts killing each other over the phat lewtz.
Oh, now I'm imagining a Quentin Tarantino version of Lord of the Rings, and must go bleach my brain.
Aragorn "I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd, Boromir..."
MMCJawa |
Set wrote:Am I the only person who liked the Thomas Jane Punisher?Tinkergoth wrote:Bill Dunn wrote:Dolph Lundgren acting is a movie is a redeeming feature? Thanks. I couldn't remember if I was down the rabbit hole or not. Turns out I am.Never said I consider him a good actor, I just have a soft spot for him and like to see him getting work.[heresy]I liked his Punisher movie way better than the one with Thomas Jane.[/heresy]
I thought it was okay. Thomas Jane I think did do a good job playing that character, there were just some issues with the plot and bad guys I didn't like.
Charlie Bell RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 |
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I loved the dragon! His last few lines are great!
"I am fire... I am death."
vs.
"My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!"
It's pretty hard to improve on the dialogue in the original. Jackson doesn't.
Dal Selpher |
Smaug's my-armor-is-my-claws-are-my-teeth-are speech is earlier, as he's still playing a delicious game of verbal cat and mouse with Bilbo. Is the speech exactly the same as in the book? No, but it's still delightful.
His shorter, final lines I think work wonderfully in the closing scene.
All in all, I soaked up Smaug's every spoken word and thought Jackson's portrayal of the chiefest of calamaties was stupendous. Loved it!
pres man |
So I was watching Unexpected Journey and noticed this:
Goblin King: He wields the Foe-Hammer! The Beater!
and then he said
Goblin King: Bright as daylight!
Except, you know, they don't actually have Glamdring and Orcrist do any glowing.
Seriously why put in that line and then, no glow? Jerk P. Jackson. It is like rubbing it in people's faces. "Ha ha, I am not going to make it glow."
Jason Nelson RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games |
I watched this movie the other day with my son and I was struck by a couple of things:
1. I don't mind the dwarves having more fighting to do and more chances to be heroes instead of being a bunch of feckless goobs who get captured every time anybody shows up (trolls, goblins, spiders, elves).
2. I don't even mind them transposing the Azog orc crew into the area post goblin caves instead of "random bunch of goblins and wargs."
3. I *DID* mind the idea that the eagles sweep them up and fly them off miles and miles through impassable terrain, and then drop them off... and yet Azog and company are immediately hot on their heels again. WTF? How did they get there?
4. See #3 regarding the barrel escape. Again, I was fine with the open barrels instead of just being locked up tight and everybody floating off to freedom easy as you please, but how the BLEEP did Bolg and his crew:
a. Invade the elven kingdom without provoking a major battle (BEFORE it happens in the movie);
b. Know where the secret back gate of the elven castle is;
c. Know that the dwarves had been captured by the elves?
d. Know exactly when the dwarves would be making their escape;
Again, the scene itself is actually a lot of fun. I think the gags in the river scene are fun and well done. Just the seeming ubiquity of Bolg and his boys moving at the speed of plot.
5. Loved the Lake-Town and elven halls and Erebor visual design.
6. As with posters above, the dialogue was pretty good but not a patch on the original.
7. Relevant to Smaug: He seemed VERY well-informed for a dragon that has supposedly been asleep for 60 years, never threatened, never leaving, never being visited, and in fact with all the entrances collapsed so no one COULD go visit him. Yet he knows about all of Sauron's dalliances in the south. Heck, he knows Thorin Oakenshield's adopted surname, even though he got it long after the dwarves left Erebor in a battle a thousand miles away.
Where does Smaug get his information?
Just the ramblings of a tired old Jason. :)
Jaelithe |
Jason, could the orcs and Smaug be guided and kept in the loop by Sauron from afar? His powers are greater than any other in Middle-Earth, and we know that only such as Galadriel possess the might to block his vision. The dragons are a creation of Melkor, thus Sauron might well have insight into communicating with and controlling them.
That doesn't help with the transpose, I know, but ... I'm just flailing, here. :)
Jason Nelson RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games |
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Yeah, it's a fair cop to suppose that Sauron has super-telepathy, at least for the forces of evil. In the movie continuity, Galadriel does with Gandalf, and Arwen does with Aragorn, and Elrond does with Galadriel, so why not?
Now we need a scene where Smaug is lying on his bed and Sauron is floating above him just in almost kissing distance.
Te'Shen |
Jason Nelson wrote:Yeah, it's a fair cop to suppose that Sauron has super-telepathy, at least for the forces of evil. In the movie continuity, Galadriel does with Gandalf, and Arwen does with Aragorn, and Elrond does with Galadriel, so why not?Now we need a scene where Smaug is lying on his bed and Sauron is floating above him just in almost kissing distance.
I... was going to suggest a scrying crystal somewhere in the treasure, or possibly Smaug has... one of the spiders over for tea and they chat about things the prey screamed while dying... but I suppose a sexy ghost scene works, too.
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Jason, could the orcs and Smaug be guided and kept in the loop by Sauron from afar? His powers are greater than any other in Middle-Earth, and we know that only such as Galadriel possess the might to block his vision. The dragons are a creation of Melkor, thus Sauron might well have insight into communicating with and controlling them.
Meh. It would depend on too many suppositions that the movie will never explain. Sauron isn't supposed to know about the ring being found until he captures Gollum and that won't happen for some decades yet. Thorin and Co. are just not important enough for his attention. It's all just padding for a trilogy going too long and with Jackson and co-writers working well below their potential.
Jaelithe |
Jaelithe wrote:Meh. It would depend on too many suppositions that the movie will never explain. Sauron isn't supposed to know about the ring being found until he captures Gollum and that won't happen for some decades yet. Thorin and Co. are just not important enough for his attention. It's all just padding for a trilogy going too long and with Jackson and co-writers working well below their potential.Jason, could the orcs and Smaug be guided and kept in the loop by Sauron from afar? His powers are greater than any other in Middle-Earth, and we know that only such as Galadriel possess the might to block his vision. The dragons are a creation of Melkor, thus Sauron might well have insight into communicating with and controlling them.
I'd say you're right, but ... just trying to help someone with that all-important willing suspension of disbelief.
Charles Scholz |
7. Relevant to Smaug: He seemed VERY well-informed for a dragon that has supposedly been asleep for 60 years, never threatened, never leaving, never being visited, and in fact with all the entrances collapsed so no one COULD go visit him. Yet he knows about all of Sauron's dalliances in the south. Heck, he knows Thorin Oakenshield's adopted surname, even though he got it long after the dwarves left Erebor in a battle a thousand miles away.
Where does Smaug get his information?
Just the ramblings...
Smaug has been asleep for only 60 years, but Thorin got his name 200 years before. He could have heard about it any time during that period.
ikki3520 |
Hohum.. it sure was over the top. Some of the floor was bare, other parts probly over 20 meters high in coins etc. Lets take an average of that and say 5 meters.
Covering maybe a square kilometer.
This makes 5 million cubic meters of gold, gems etc
Gold comes at 19tons/m3, but there are plates, coins etc so its hardly entirely solid. Maybe 17 tons per m3.
Thus we have 85 million tons of gold.
Or 85 billion kg.
Which comes to about 200 billion lbs.
-> 10 trillion gp. But worth easily 10 times that thanks to art objects, gems etc.
Which amounts to no more than 5000 gp/dwarf/year and 5 million dwarves working for 400 years.
And im pretty sure that the Arkstone had some powers with creation like spawning gold or enabling more efficient mining. OTOH, dwarves in the middle-earth cleary have some kind of flawless cog in the wheel racial skill allowing one to complement another... allowing for perfect cooperation and massproduction.
Then again we could also be talking about 5, 10 or even 100 square kilometers of coinage...
ikki3520 |
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Jason Nelson wrote:7. Relevant to Smaug: He seemed VERY well-informed for a dragon that has supposedly been asleep for 60 years, never threatened, never leaving, never being visited, and in fact with all the entrances collapsed so no one COULD go visit him. Yet he knows about all of Sauron's dalliances in the south. Heck, he knows Thorin Oakenshield's adopted surname, even though he got it long after the dwarves left Erebor in a battle a thousand miles away.
Where does Smaug get his information?
Just the ramblings...
Smaug has been asleep for only 60 years, but Thorin got his name 200 years before. He could have heard about it any time during that period.
Check out the feat from draconomicon, Draconic Knowledge, page 69.
They know everything about any object associated with their hoard and location. Then its the other stuff, like existance of hobbits, that they are completely ignorant about.So yeah, theyll have no problem naming the whole lineage of every person ever holding any single coin in their hoard. ;)