Godzilla (2014)


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Charles Scholz wrote:

Here is a list of all the Godzill movies.

Godzilla (1954)
Godzilla Raids Again (1955)
King Kong Vs. Godzilla (1962)
Godzilla Vs. Mothra (1964)
Ghidrah, the Three-Headed Monster (1964)
Godzilla Vs. Monster Zero (1965)
Godzilla Vs. the Sea Monster (1966)
Son of Godzilla (1967)
Destroy All Monsters (1968)
Godzilla's Revenge (1969)
Godzilla Vs. Hedorah (1971)
Godzilla Vs. Gigan (1972)
Godzilla Vs. Megalon (1973)
Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)
Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975)
Godzilla 1985 (1985)
Godzilla Vs. Biollante (1989)
Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah (1991)
Godzilla & Mothra: The Battle for Earth (1992)
Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla II (1993)
Godzilla Vs. Spacegodzilla (1994)
Godzilla Vs. Destoroyah (1995)
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Godzilla 2000: Millennium (2000)
Godzilla Vs. Megaguirus (2000)
Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (2001)
Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. (2003)
Godzilla: Final Wars (2004)

Fixed that for you.


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Am I right in remembering:

Spoiler:
the main human told his wife to stay in San Francisco until he got there (riding a train with a NUCLEAR WEAPON) and that he'd get her and their kid out. And this was before the public knew the monsters were converging there. And he doesn't end up making any effort to get them out. Is that what happened, or did I miss something?

Because no way in hell would I tell my wife to stay in a city I knew a nuclear weapon was coming to and monsters were going to. I would have told her to get the kid and to get out of Dodge anyway she could, NOW! before everyone else realizes the crap is going to hit the fan. Don't tell anyone, just go as fast as you can. Call your friends when you get out if you want.


Davor wrote:

But why did he hunt them down? If they were prey, why didn't he eat them? What about them made them prey, if he slept beneath the ocean for seemingly millions of years? Their radioactive nature? We know he was around in the 50s, and was apparently alive and kicking, and he was probably around before that.

I'm not arguing with what the movie SAYS happens, but they don't back it up well enough.

Godzilla is the defender of Earth, not humanity. He went after them because of their threat against Earth.


God, I was disappointed in this movie, although I could see how others who are really into this genre would be more forgiving than I was. The first half hour is great, with a compelling backstory and a subversion of girl in a refrigerator trope, but that only sets up the disappointment. They have a bland protagonist, whose child and mother both have ridiculous plot armor. The director seems to think that we should care fiercely about these two, so he cuts away from most of the monster fight scenes just when I was starting to get interested and entertained by it. Unfortunately, since Hollywood will never ever kill a kid in these kinds of movies, those scenes have no dramatic tension whatsoever.

The monster effects are quite good, with effective emotion for Godzilla, supplemented by female Mothra's comprehensible motivation and emotion at her loss.


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I've just published a relatively brief (for me anyway) review of the film here:

Kaiju, Mutants and Robots Oh My - Godzilla & X-Men: Days of Future Past Reviews


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roguerouge wrote:
Unfortunately, since Hollywood will never ever kill a kid in these kinds of movies, those scenes have no dramatic tension whatsoever.

Fortunately, of course. I'm good with no dramatic tension by not killing children.

I feel sorry for those who aren't.

Shadow Lodge

I'm not for killing kids in real life, obviously, but I don't think they should be given invulnerable plot armor in something like this. It just sucks all the tension out of those scenes.

The wife and the kid were pretty useless. It might have actually made the film better if you never saw them between the guy leaving to go bail out his dad and the reunion at the end. (At the very least, it would have meant you'd actually get to see a bit more action before the final fight scene, as they wouldn't continually cut away from Godzilla and the MUTOs to show Elizabeth Olsen freaking out and the kid just kinda being there. Although Elizabeth Olsen does get points for being absolutely freaking gorgeous. :D

roguerogue - I think you mean female MUTO...Mothra wasn't in this film.

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As someone who grew up with "Hero-Mode" Godzilla, someone whose first Godzilla movie was freakin' Godzilla VS Megalon*...I loved this movie.

It's kind of how Pacific Rim made me feel like a kid again. But moreso. It took me to a happy place. :)

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Especially when the spines lit up. :D

...I do wish Ken Watanabe was given more to do besides repeating himself about "restoring balance". And that he had an eyepatch like his '54 counterpart.

Something I absolutely loved:
...was how old and tired Godzilla came across though his body language. And I'm not talking about the bit where they made it obvious with him and the soldier looking at each other. You could see it here and there before that point, simply sold through how he moves. Andy Serkis and the CG crew deserve a lot of credit there, because he really did give off a feel of "Ugh...not this crap again..." from time to time. :)

*HE HEAD LOOKS LIKE JACK NICHOLSON


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Mikaze wrote:

As someone who grew up with "Hero-Mode" Godzilla, someone whose first Godzilla movie was freakin' Godzilla VS Megalon*...I loved this movie.

It's kind of how Pacific Rim made me feel like a kid again. But moreso. It took me to a happy place. :)

** spoiler omitted **

...I do wish Ken Watanabe was given more to do besides repeating himself about "restoring balance". And that he had an eyepatch like his '54 counterpart.

** spoiler omitted **

*HE HEAD LOOKS LIKE JACK NICHOLSON

Mikaze, that's basically how I reacted to Pacific Rim and Godzilla as well. Was like being a kid watching giant monster/robot films and anime with my uncle again.

The bit your first spoiler covers? Picture a chubby bald bearded guy dressed in motorcycle gear giggling like a schoolgirl and you've got a fair idea of how I handled that scene.

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I do kind of wish that, at least for this first film of what will apparently be a trilogy, they had made Godzilla the force of destruction, and saved the monster vs monster fights for the sequels.

I'm more a fan of Godzilla vs Tokyo than I am of Godzilla vs [insert monster here].


Kthulhu wrote:

I do kind of wish that, at least for this first film of what will apparently be a trilogy, they had made Godzilla the force of destruction, and saved the monster vs monster fights for the sequels.

I'm more a fan of Godzilla vs Tokyo than I am of Godzilla vs [insert monster here].

Yeah this

For a movie called Godzilla, there was remarkably little Godzilla. Now I don't have a problem keeping a monster offscreen for effect, but it was obvious that the Muto's were the real focus of the movie, and Godzilla just felt added after the fact.

Again, I wonder how many scripts revisions this went through. If the original "Godzilla" script was even about Godzilla at all.

Scarab Sages

For those of you that are curious, this movie was directed by the same director that did the film "Monsters".

If you haven't seen it, go find it and watch it once. You may hate me for it, but you should find it rather illuminating.

Scarab Sages

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MMCJawa wrote:

For a movie called Godzilla, there was remarkably little Godzilla. Now I don't have a problem keeping a monster offscreen for effect, but it was obvious that the Muto's were the real focus of the movie, and Godzilla just felt added after the fact.

Again, I wonder how many scripts revisions this went through. If the original "Godzilla" script was even about Godzilla at all.

The original Godzilla movie showed very little Godzilla until near the end.


Kthulhu wrote:

I do kind of wish that, at least for this first film of what will apparently be a trilogy, they had made Godzilla the force of destruction, and saved the monster vs monster fights for the sequels.

I'm more a fan of Godzilla vs Tokyo than I am of Godzilla vs [insert monster here].

This was how I felt in 1998. I thought it was awesome that HE was the monster and the city was just toast... Then in Pacific Rim and Cloverfield they did it again...

When THIS one started up, I got kind of giddy when I realized that he was in hero-mode. Reminded me of all the pre-98 movies that I really enjoyed. It brought kind of an epicness that has been missing lately.

In hindsight, I think Godzilla fighting the other monsters... is what SEPERATES him from all the other giant monsters vs humans stories out there...

John Kretzer wrote:
I thought it was a great Godzilla movie. Anybody who thinks there was not enough of him in it really don't much about the old movies it seems.

My first response too.

"There was not enough monsters in it, and too much human story" is pretty much my complaint for EVERY GODZILLA MOVIE EVER!!!

All those goofy Japanese people running around with the bad dubbing and useless plans was the weak part of EVERY Godzilla movie. No matter what they tried... He STILL busted things up till he got bored and left. Now when I watch them on Netflix with my nephews... we STILL fast forward the human parts ;)

As far as human stories go? I REALLY felt this was the best I'd seen. Take that where you will.


Loved it.


Kthulhu wrote:

I'm not for killing kids in real life, obviously, but I don't think they should be given invulnerable plot armor in something like this. It just sucks all the tension out ...

roguerogue - I think you mean female MUTO...Mothra wasn't in this film.

Thank you for the support on that point, and I will take you at your word on the antagonist. I've seen exactly two of these kinds of movies: this and Pacific Rim.

Scarab Sages

I watched Pacific Rim at home a month ago, and saw Godzilla in the theater a week ago. I while liked both films, they were very different in "feel". PR had more exaggerations in it, but a very creative plot line. Godzilla was more straight forward, though I felt there were some story holes concerning the MUTOs that needed more fleshing out -- will there be an extended version on DVD?

I like Godzilla as I grew up with the Japanese movies -- all morality plays in some form. In this one I loved the brief scene where the tired lizard makes eye contact with the soldier -- like there was mutual acknowledgement at some level. And of course when Godzilla had had enough, the MUTOs were slammed and fried by solid energy blasts. Godzilla didn't seek out to cause carnage, but there was a job to do and anything in the way got flattened. Great B-grade fun!

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phantom1592 wrote:

This was how I felt in 1998. I thought it was awesome that HE was the monster and the city was just toast... Then in Pacific Rim and Cloverfield they did it again...

When THIS one started up, I got kind of giddy when I realized that he was in hero-mode. Reminded me of all the pre-98 movies that I really enjoyed. It brought kind of an epicness that has been missing lately.

I guess it's because I've always been more a fan of the films from the Heisei and Millennium eras (as opposed to the Shōwa era). In the Heisei and Millennium films, even when Godzilla was fighting other monsters that were a threat to humanity, he still loomed at a threat to humanity himself. When he defeated (for example) King Ghidorah, the question then becaome "OK, Ghidorah is taken care of....now what the hell are we gonna do about Godzilla?!?" I wish that the 2014 Godzilla, in the moments he wasn't shown to be fighting the MUTOs, had been more antagonistic towards humans. Instead, he seemed to be going out of his way several times to cause as little collateral damage as possible.

I'm not against truly heroic kaiju (the best example being Mothra), but Godzilla isn't meant to be one of them.


Kthulhu wrote:
I'm not against truly heroic kaiju (the best example being Mothra), but Godzilla isn't meant to be one of them.

Opinion noted, and rejected whole-heartedly. The Showa Godzilla is the most interesting by far of the iterations, from where I sit, in that he shows genuine growth and evolution as a character, from mindless engine of destruction to being of conscience and compassion. Mothra herself is instrumental in beginning his journey down that path, in Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster.

Sovereign Court

It was an OK movie. That's about it. Especially since it killed off the only two actors worthy of that name near the beginning.


I went to see this in the dollar theater...my initial reaction was "utterly terrible." I upgraded it to "just bad" when my wife pointed out that it may not, in fact, be possible to make a good Godzilla movie.

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bugleyman wrote:
I went to see this in the dollar theater...my initial reaction was "utterly terrible." I upgraded it to "just bad" when my wife pointed out that it may not, in fact, be possible to make a good Godzilla movie.

Methinks your wife has never seen the original. (Not the Americanized version, however). There's a reason it spawned almost 30 sequels and an entire sub-genre of films.

Sovereign Court

It's a guy in a rubber costume walking down a miniature city, knocking down toy fire trucks.

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Hama wrote:
It's a guy in a rubber costume walking down a miniature city, knocking down toy fire trucks.

And nobody has managed to make a better one.

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Arguably, you can't really make a good Godzilla movie. You can make a passable one, especially since Inoshiro Honda passed away.


Hama wrote:
Arguably, you can't really make a good Godzilla movie. You can make a passable one, especially since Inoshiro Honda passed away.

You could argue that, but you'd be wrong. We've seen a number of good Godzilla movies, and one that's an absolute classic of cinema, often called one of two Japanese films one must see (along with Seven Samurai).

It's fun to go back and check out a film like the original Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (from 1974) and see just how many conventions of the genre that later became clichés are present therein.

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