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Hama it is a musical. Kind of hard to have a musical without music.
Real love is what she and her sister had... not what she could get from her latest boyfriends. I still don't see any homosexuality... Ms Skaggs must have had a horrible upbringing if she can't identify with the love siblings have for each other and in her strange world reinterprets it as homosexuality.
I loved it, I hope it will get a sequel, TV specials, TV show, etc.
In reference to the 'homosexual implications', there's a scene in a sauna were the comment is 'Hi, family' to a group containing two adult males. That's apparently enough for some.
I've also seen a claim of beastality, apparently (I haven't seen it yet, but want to) the trolls imply that the woodsman boyfriend's relationship with his reindeer is 'against nature'.
Why do people look for stuff like that, anyway? I mean, I'm conservative and I don't look for stuff like that...or even CARE if it's there.
Sigh. Morons can gve either side a bad name.
Because some people are closed minded, bigoted idiots who see everything they don't understand as a threat to their way of life.
Unfortunately, way too true.
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In reference to the 'homosexual implications', there's a scene in a sauna were the comment is 'Hi, family' to a group containing two adult males. That's apparently enough for some.
I've also seen a claim of beastality, apparently (I haven't seen it yet, but want to) the trolls imply that the woodsman boyfriend's relationship with his reindeer is 'against nature'.
Why do people look for stuff like that, anyway? I mean, I'm conservative and I don't look for stuff like that...or even CARE if it's there.
Sigh. Morons can gve either side a bad name.
Enough with this stuff. There is the blonde male in that Sauna, his wife (many mistake her for one of the kids, but she's there) and two kids.
Look closer.
Who makes this junk up anyways. It's like making something up so you totally ignore the actual message of the movie...which is about the love of family and recognizing it.
In reference to the 'homosexual implications', there's a scene in a sauna were the comment is 'Hi, family' to a group containing two adult males. That's apparently enough for some.
I've also seen a claim of beastality, apparently (I haven't seen it yet, but want to) the trolls imply that the woodsman boyfriend's relationship with his reindeer is 'against nature'.
Why do people look for stuff like that, anyway? I mean, I'm conservative and I don't look for stuff like that...or even CARE if it's there.
Sigh. Morons can gve either side a bad name.
Enough with this stuff. There is the blonde male in that Sauna, his wife (many mistake her for one of the kids, but she's there) and two kids.
Look closer.
Who makes this junk up anyways. It's like making something up so you totally ignore the actual message of the movie...which is about the love of family and recognizing it.
As I said, I haven't seen it yet. All I saw was a link someone sent me referring to the sauna incident and insisting they were two males.
I'm looking forward to seeing the film (probably during Easter dinner with my grand-niece), judging for myself, and, well, from all I've seen and heard personally...enjoying the movie.
I can't believe that it's still in cinemas here in the UK, and is now available on DVD at the same time.
Songs are many in number but short in length - my girls love it (and my boys too for that matter)!
And as for all the 'messages' that some bigoted people 'see' in the film - they are idiots and will see 'something' in 'everything' they look at, if they hate living hard enough.
Although, the cynic in me wonders if Disney has spread this itself in order to get even more publicity for the film (not that it needs it, bloomin' 'eck)!
That is nothing, there was this guy that claimed the villain in the first Shrek movie was a Christ like figure and that Shrek was the devil.
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I give it a hearty meh with a few good songs and awesome super power displays.
The false love interest didn't work at all. It's one thing to try to surprise the audience, it's another to not lay any ground work for a character's sudden betrayal and dramatic switch from good to evil. There were a number of scenes where his actions were in direct conflict with his actual evil agenda (e.g., telling the angry mob not to kill Elsa when he could've just been silent about it; giving out blankets and whatnot to the suffering people when he could've just said "nah, ain't gonna happen").
Also, what was the point of having the other sister's memory erased? Was that just so she could also be surprised when her sister manifested awesome super powers or so she wouldn't understand why her sister was cold (no pun intended) and distant all those years? I expected that to have some meaning in the movie, but it never seemed all that relevant.
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The false love interest didn't work at all. It's one thing to try to surprise the audience, it's another to not lay any ground work for a character's sudden betrayal and dramatic switch from good to evil. There were a number of scenes where his actions were in direct conflict with his actual evil agenda (e.g., telling the angry mob not to kill Elsa when he could've just been silent about it; giving out blankets and whatnot to the suffering people when he could've just said "nah, ain't gonna happen").
It worked for me, and, though I do think this could have been handled better, I do not agree that it was handled poorly.
Notice that everything he did made him look good.
Everything we saw was his reaction in public or towards those he wished to manipulate. Only once he no longer needed to manipulate a person did he drop his facade. Let's look at what actually happened:
First, he came to seduce one of the sisters. Elsa was too cold and distant - unapproachable. No direct kingship there, then. Anna, on the other hand, was desperate and gullible.
If he managed to seduce and wed Anna? Great! Now he's second-in-line for a throne... a throne that's held by a very private, distant not-seen-very-often queen. Not hard to assassinate with no one the wiser (as he didn't know she was a sorceress).
After the "reveal", Anna was so trusting that she put him in charge... but he didn't have any sort of true, lasting authority with the people. It's made pretty clear (to me) that the people still love their royal family - if he did nothing to rescue them, they'd definitely not continue to trust him, and he'd rather not have that shroud hanging over him. Again, he's got competitors, and it was very public that they weren't allowed to be married by Queen Elsa.
If he'd managed to rescue Anna? Great! She'd be in his hands, and he'd likely be able to force Elsa to allow their marriage - after all, he risked his life for her!
If he'd manage to rescue Anna and Elsa? Great! They'd both be in his debt, and he'd likely be able to force Elsa to allow the marriage.
If Anna died, but Elsa did not? Well, he rescued her life! He would be a hero, and, although tragic, he could have bonded with Elsa over Anna's untimely demise. It's a risky gamble, but one he'd need to take. But if, say, he could "prove" fratricide, he could actually execute Elsa with no real competition - she killed her own sister, after all, and thus couldn't be trusted. If he was reluctant about the whole thing (which he pretended to be), he would just be seen as a capable leader who sought non-violent solutions, but made the hard decisions when he had to. This could generate popular support.
The fact that he rescued Anna, but had no way of actually saving her was pretty much just perfect. She died, he faked a wedding, and he executed the sister in his grief and due to her dangerous traits. Legal status as heir, no emotional or political baggage, and the absolute trust of everyone in the kingdom, he'd just worked so hard at winning over.
Also, what was the point of having the other sister's memory erased? Was that just so she could also be surprised when her sister manifested awesome super powers or so she wouldn't understand why her sister was cold (no pun intended) and distant all those years? I expected that to have some meaning in the movie, but it never seemed all that relevant.
Pretty sure the pun was partially intended by Disney.
This is actually pretty clearly laid out.
The memory erasure was a side effect of removing the accidental magical curse placed on Anna by Elsa.
To be clear, Elsa didn't mean to curse Anna - it seems that it's an effect based on the release of raw magical energies, kind of like a wild magic effect - it slowly freezes the <insert vital part here> that it lands near (whether that vital part is the mind or the heart) and, upon completion, it kills the recipient by freezing all of them.
As to the nature of why removing the memories comes as a side effect of removing the ice magic... I dunno, it's a plot MacGuffin.
But it's pretty clearly spelled out that this is, in fact, the case.
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I think it was because the curse could only truly be removed by real love... But there is a short cut cure if you are willing to pay a price depending on where you were hit. Hit in the head pay with your memories; hit in the heart pay with your life. Pretty harsh in the second case.
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Though I did find it strange that Anna was the only person Elsa's powers ever really cursed and twice in the same movie. But now that I think about it Disney princess have a -4 on saves vs curse effects;)
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I give it a hearty meh with a few good songs and awesome super power displays.
The false love interest didn't work at all. It's one thing to try to surprise the audience, it's another to not lay any ground work for a character's sudden betrayal and dramatic switch from good to evil. There were a number of scenes where his actions were in direct conflict with his actual evil agenda (e.g., telling the angry mob not to kill Elsa when he could've just been silent about it; giving out blankets and whatnot to the suffering people when he could've just said "nah, ain't gonna happen").
Also, what was the point of having the other sister's memory erased? Was that just so she could also be surprised when her sister manifested awesome super powers or so she wouldn't understand why her sister was cold (no pun intended) and distant all those years? I expected that to have some meaning in the movie, but it never seemed all that relevant.
My little daughter was smiling and giggling throughout the movie, so I can't really sit back and scrutinize this thing that made my daughter happy.
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Thanks for reminding me the context of the events in the movie, Tacticslion. As to the memory loss issue...
This is actually pretty clearly laid out.
The memory erasure was a side effect of removing the accidental magical curse placed on Anna by Elsa.
To be clear, Elsa didn't mean to curse Anna - it seems that it's an effect based on the release of raw magical energies, kind of like a wild magic effect - it slowly freezes the <insert vital part here> that it lands near (whether that vital part is the mind or the heart) and, upon completion, it kills the recipient by freezing all of them.
As to the nature of why removing the memories comes as a side effect of removing the ice magic... I dunno, it's a plot MacGuffin.
But it's pretty clearly spelled out that this is, in fact, the case.
I understand that the mechanics of the memory loss were explained, but it never seemed to matter to the movie. I was expecting that retrieving the lost memories would be an important plot point, or that the lack of those memories would create a conflict/drama in the course of the movie. But, it never seemed to matter, which begs the question of why bother inserting the concept into the movie to begin with. It's the Chekov's gun that's never fired.
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Thanks for reminding me the context of the events in the movie, Tacticslion. As to the memory loss issue...
I understand that the mechanics of the memory loss were explained, but it never seemed to matter to the movie. I was expecting that retrieving the lost memories would be an important plot point, or that the lack of those memories would create a conflict/drama in the course of the movie. But, it never seemed to matter, which begs the question of why bother inserting the concept into the movie to begin with. It's the Chekov's gun that's never fired.This is actually pretty clearly laid out.
The memory erasure was a side effect of removing the accidental magical curse placed on Anna by Elsa.
To be clear, Elsa didn't mean to curse Anna - it seems that it's an effect based on the release of raw magical energies, kind of like a wild magic effect - it slowly freezes the <insert vital part here> that it lands near (whether that vital part is the mind or the heart) and, upon completion, it kills the recipient by freezing all of them.
As to the nature of why removing the memories comes as a side effect of removing the ice magic... I dunno, it's a plot MacGuffin.
But it's pretty clearly spelled out that this is, in fact, the case.
Ahh...the things we notice, that hound us days after seeing a movie; much ado about nothing from a six year old child's point of view.
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You see, I watched this knowing it would have plot holes, so to preserve immersion I never really examined it too closely. But the critical part of my brain was whispering but I ignored that voice as I was having too much fun with my children.
When we watch the DVD I'm likely to engage that bit of my brain though.
But still, none of my children complained about the plotting, so it's not a big issue for me, similar to what other posters have put down.
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The fact that he seemed the good guy but ended up being the bad guy was one of my favorite parts of the movie.
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I also liked the fact he played the good guy so well. It makes him a sociopath in my book.
Thanks for reminding me the context of the events in the movie, Tacticslion. As to the memory loss issue...
I understand that the mechanics of the memory loss were explained, but it never seemed to matter to the movie. I was expecting that retrieving the lost memories would be an important plot point, or that the lack of those memories would create a conflict/drama in the course of the movie. But, it never seemed to matter, which begs the question of why bother inserting the concept into the movie to begin with. It's the Chekov's gun that's never fired.This is actually pretty clearly laid out.
The memory erasure was a side effect of removing the accidental magical curse placed on Anna by Elsa.
To be clear, Elsa didn't mean to curse Anna - it seems that it's an effect based on the release of raw magical energies, kind of like a wild magic effect - it slowly freezes the <insert vital part here> that it lands near (whether that vital part is the mind or the heart) and, upon completion, it kills the recipient by freezing all of them.
As to the nature of why removing the memories comes as a side effect of removing the ice magic... I dunno, it's a plot MacGuffin.
But it's pretty clearly spelled out that this is, in fact, the case.
I can see that. To me, I never took it as a gun. It always seemed exactly what it was: a window-dressing to help set up the rest of the movie (which it did).
The reason it mattered to the movie is: once Elsa and Anna were close, now they're not, and Elsa doesn't know why. That's the purpose it serves - it makes the set-up function more smoothly than it might otherwise.
EDIT: The event leading up to it (the damaging of her mind) was a bonus in that it established just how dangerous Elsa could be, even when she was trying not to be.
I also liked the fact he played the good guy so well. It makes him a sociopath in my book.
He was a perfect sociopath. In a way, I hate him, and thus that aspect of the film.
On the other hand, that just makes him a phenomenal villain - he wasn't psychotic, but he was sociopathic, and thus tremendously evil - it's almost uncomfortable in his darkness, but I appreciate it that much more (unlike in some films, where I just hate the film).
It's because of this, in my opinion, Hans is actually one of the darkest villains Disney has ever made, right along side Maleficent and the Coachman (from Pinocchio), because of this, and, to my way of thinking, represents an excellent moral lesson: looks don't tell you about the personality inside.
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How It Should Have Ended.
I love these.
just saw it.
Very good, but I think I preferred Tangled. Speaking of which, anyone saw the Rapunzel cameo entering the castle on coronation day? (well, it looked like her anyway...)
The "let-it go" song is one of the strongest point of the movie. Too bad it happens early and nothing else quite lives up to it later on.
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Very good, but I think I preferred Tangled.
Really. I thought that by focusing on sororal love rather then the traditional "romantic" love, they take the story in new and interesting directions.
How It Should Have Ended.
That is just too funny.
Well at least Olof is a useful sidekick.
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Very good, but I think I preferred Tangled.Really. I thought that by focusing on sororal love rather then the traditional "romantic" love, they take the story in new and interesting directions.
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I can't second either of these enough.
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I can't second either of these enough.Very good, but I think I preferred Tangled.Really. I thought that by focusing on sororal love rather then the traditional "romantic" love, they take the story in new and interesting directions.
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I really love how the film was "feminist" without diminishing men. :)
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Very good, but I think I preferred Tangled.Really. I thought that by focusing on sororal love rather then the traditional "romantic" love, they take the story in new and interesting directions.
I really love how the film was "feminist" without diminishing men. :)
Agreed on both accounts, but still preferred the rhythm and flow of Tangled. Personally, I found Olaf a bit too much Jar-Jar-ey, but I know he made the movie for boy.
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Can't believe I haven't posted on this thread yet.
I loved Frozen. Easily my favorite since the Renaissance days. It's funny, manages to have a comic relief character who fits the story and is, y'know, comical, and it has some crazy likeable characters.
In my opinion, Tangled always suffered from mediocre songs and a rather Dreamworks-y style (not that I dislike Dreamworks, but I don't like it in my Disney princess movies). It's a good movie, but I have trouble putting it on the same shelf as Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty and Princess and the Frog because I'm not wholly convinced it wants to be there.
Frozen has finally nailed down how to modernize a fairy tale to the new era without cheapening it. And we have a Disney princess (well, queen) who almost commits a double homicide! It's exactly my cup of tea.
Also, it's currently the most profitable animated movie of all time. Just a fun fact.
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I thought that the Characters had no character and that they lack character development. Elsa had the most character development and was the best character in the game yet not the main character.
Prince Hans developed nicely into a pragmatic villain after being confronted by the loss of two princesses to 'sorcery'.
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I hate prequels generally, but Frozen seems like one of those rare movies that could be a good prequel. If Elsa killed her sister and then went all Carrie on kingdom, she would have a very compelling backstory as a villian. The next movie would be about a hero arriving in her frozen kingdom, learning her tragic backstory, and putting her out of her misery.
I hate prequels generally, but Frozen seems like one of those rare movies that could be a good prequel. If Elsa killed her sister and then went all Carrie on kingdom, she would have a very compelling backstory as a villian. The next movie would be about a hero arriving in her frozen kingdom, learning her tragic backstory, and putting her out of her misery.
Yup because who are different need to be put down for their own good.
I hate prequels generally, but Frozen seems like one of those rare movies that could be a good prequel. If Elsa killed her sister and then went all Carrie on kingdom, she would have a very compelling backstory as a villain. The next movie would be about a hero arriving in her frozen kingdom, learning her tragic backstory, and putting her out of her misery.Yup because who are different need to be put down for their own good.
This is exactly why Frozen did not go this route.
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I hate prequels generally, but Frozen seems like one of those rare movies that could be a good prequel. If Elsa killed her sister and then went all Carrie on kingdom, she would have a very compelling backstory as a villian. The next movie would be about a hero arriving in her frozen kingdom, learning her tragic backstory, and putting her out of her misery.Yup because who are different need to be put down for their own good.
Yes, that's exactly what I said. It would be the exact same movie, with the exact same plot, emphasizing the exact same message, except the resolution is 100% different. Not only that, no movie, ever, should have the message that being different is okay, because obviously it's not.
However, it's a tragic story I'm contemplating. Yes, I know, tragedies are hard to understand because they have unhappy endings and not simple pithy messages like "different is okay" that can be put on bumper sticker. But, and you'll need to put some stock in the whole "different is okay" message that you've taken so dearly to heart, some of us like tragedies, and good villians, and taking flights of fancy on an aspect of a particular work that could've gone in another direction. Elsa is a tragic figure with a happy ending, which is fine, particularly for a Disney movie and particularly for that message, but she could've been something else, and contemplating that something else is not a repudiation of this movie or this message.
I really hope it does get a sequel, mini-series, TV show, or something. Also considering Elsa was never called the Snow Queen then maybe her family is related to the actual Snow Queen and she was the one who one the genetic lottery. So interesting story would for her find out her family's past and maybe even confront that past.
I hate prequels generally, but Frozen seems like one of those rare movies that could be a good prequel. If Elsa killed her sister and then went all Carrie on kingdom, she would have a very compelling backstory as a villian. The next movie would be about a hero arriving in her frozen kingdom, learning her tragic backstory, and putting her out of her misery.Yup because who are different need to be put down for their own good.Yes, that's exactly what I said. It would be the exact same movie, with the exact same plot, emphasizing the exact same message, except the resolution is 100% different. Not only that, no movie, ever, should have the message that being different is okay, because obviously it's not.
However, it's a tragic story I'm contemplating. Yes, I know, tragedies are hard to understand because they have unhappy endings and not simple pithy messages like "different is okay" that can be put on bumper sticker. But, and you'll need to put some stock in the whole "different is okay" message that you've taken so dearly to heart, some of us like tragedies, and good villians, and taking flights of fancy on an aspect of a particular work that could've gone in another direction. Elsa is a tragic figure with a happy ending, which is fine, particularly for a Disney movie and particularly for that message, but she could've been something else, and contemplating that something else is not a repudiation of this movie or this message.
Yup and some of us like not to have the 'it is okay to different' message wrapped in a tragedy where the only 'solution' is to kill that which is different. Also again having the 'hero' come in to kill the 'suffering'...I don't think we use those words the same way.
By the way...that story has been done to death since the Greek Myth of the Medusa...it is nice to see a very different take. It was nice to see the hero solve a tragic situation without killing.
If it went your way...well it would just be the same old story we have seen a million times before.
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*sigh*
Whatever. I guess I'll go binge on all those tragedies that Hollywood makes on a regular basis. Or the movies with really well-developed sympathetic villians with compelling backstories and understandable motives. I'll keep an eye out for the rare gem of a movie that somehow slips through the system with a happy ending and trite message for your sake. I certainly can't think of well over a thousand movies that boiled down to an extraordinary character learning to accept and overcome their differences. Frozen is probably the only one.
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I liked it when Elsa got her sexy on while singing Let it Go. And the little snow dude was kind of funny.
But my brother was showing me this video of the Veronica Mars chick (and others from the voice cast) performing the movies songs. That chick's got a good voice. And from what I saw she did all the singing of Anna, even this kid and teenage stuff.