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Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

I agree with both points.


Female Half Elf Dual Cursed Oracle of Nature 5 / Evangelist of Arshea 2 / Hierophant of Arshea 1

Both points seem valid to me.


Male Lizardfolk (8 RP) Bard (Thundercaller) 8

The Guests agree with both points.

Apologies for the quietness on my part, but as Janus said. We are guests so Ti and Tepti know they are not welcome and so far they have little time to speak with Taiana. Now that Venetia is somewhat threatening calling her bannermen they are unsure exactly who really rules here...

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Tatiana Fortuna wrote:
If Edeldhur wants to be left out, would you please post him saying such and renouncing his oath to Rupert and kingdom. There may be some unintended consequences. We are waiting for him to "introduce" himself anyway.

You are right, I still think in the Barons as "Landowner-fiefdom-Barons" instead of "We-are-together-in-this-mess-Barons".

I will post for Edeldhur.
What about the Four Swords? They can be considered the heirs of Rudolf Ferdinand Aldori III, one of the "original" barons, missing-in-action on the First World.

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Ti'Itza wrote:
Apologies for the quietness on my part, but as Janus said. We are guests so Ti and Tepti know they are not welcome and so far they have little time to speak with Taiana. Now that Venetia is somewhat threatening calling her bannermen they are unsure exactly who really rules here...

I think Ti'Itza has to speak on its behalf. Do he and Tepti want in as a "We-are-together-in-this-mess-Baron"? What do he has to offer?

On one hand, he is, maybe, the most real "baron" of this land in the room... ;)


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In my opinion, we have spent the last 6 months fighting and clearing the land about the town. The town, after 6 months, likely consists of a few homes, a general store, probably a chapel of some sort, probably to Erastil, possibly another. A few more merchants have likely set up shop, a cooper, tailor, blacksmith, tavern. And that is probably about it. We have never discussed a form of government and although Tatiana has been nominally the leader for this period, Halcorg has always known that Kiritta would return, so he has never really felt he was anything other than a baron in her stead. In other words, the government has been unwritten and pretty much the will of the barons. Most of us are good, so I imagine that this rule would have been fairly even handed, but it would have been, nonetheless, mostly rule by strength of arms, with the Barons having the most strength.

It is not a huge area, but as has been mentioned, Oleg Leventon has not visited any meeting. Most of out time has likely been about how to respond to bandit and other attacks, how to pay for the military and rangers who patrol the area, and what area to focus on securing the area to get it ready for being settled, mostly by farmers and woodsmen.

If the town is much bigger than several hundred at this point, I would be surprised. Perhaps there has been more war in Brevoy than I am aware of and people are fleeing, but medieval war is not the all out war we have today. I do not think that civilians were usually targeted. Thus, I cannot imagine that there are thousands of refugees arriving. Most civilians would have simply stayed inside and waited to see who won the war and would have then shifted their allegiance to the new lords.

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In my view, while the cohorts have been recognized as barons, this was solely because their mentors/seniors were not present to actually take the place. Halcorg never intended on being a lord, and really, Kiritta would not wish to do so either. She is a traveller, traveling about the land and teaching others while increasing her learning of all subjects. She would not mind having a home, but would not want the worry of taking care of a huge estate. She would probably make a terrible minister of magic or similar role, although she is smart enough to work this out and find people to run any magic schools or department of government that oversees the arcane.

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I guess at this point from a player's prospective, I am sort of confused. I think that this is why the KM rules are set up the way they are. Choose a building, build it. Choose some more land, incorporate it. Choose a governmental alignment, voila you have a government.

While the nitty gritty of the specific form of government is fun, all this arguing and discussing is going to get really old really fast. Especially if we have to spend time voting and politicking. It is clear from the posts of others that either I have no clue what has been going on, or we have a lot of people with completely different views of what has happened. It is my preference that we simply decide in the OOC how the government is going to go. Otherwise, we are likely to spend several RL months arguing over who gets what post and how the government is to be formed. If others wish to do this, that is fine. However, if this is how the campaign is going to be run, then it might be best for me to step back rather than end up in the middle of political chaos.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

I knew I was forgetting somebody. The Four Swords seem to have decided to be "Protectors of the Monarch" role, but given their dedicated commitment to the cause, they have definitely more than earned a Barony. I imagine that they would run it together.

So 23 people/groups as Barons if you count absolutely everyone, 21-22 if you count the Lizards as guests and if Edeldhur and/or Daliedhur drop their claims.

Edit: I agree with Kiritta about how we might just need to apply a little Handwavium at some point.

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Kiritta is mostly right...
About government, this is your chance to adapt / select / decide how you are going to organize yourselves.
Trivium is a small town, but it is blooming (at least it was until the huge Owlbear came crashing down). Leventon Town and "No-name City" (at Borgnok's barony are blooming too (the wonders of having a established government and not be at mercy of the bandits).
So, fell free to choose your government as you see fit (or keep the one you already have).
Medieval war, as Kiritta says, is very different. That goes double for the River Kingdoms. Yes, most people keep living their lives, recognizing the "king" in turn.
Well, this is Kingmaker. If you don't get your act together, in some form you all are ok with it, it WILL become a political chaos. Worst yet, many people, external AND INTERNAL, will seize the opportunity too get a "piece of the action" on you. Sharks smell blood in the water, you know...

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Also, remember I WON'T BE USING the kingdom rules. No need to fill 10+ "government posts", just for you to get your act together, decide how things are going to roll, and decide your next steps.


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Kiritta/Halcorg, We've spent 6 months accumulating land almost the size of Pitax without the Stag Lord lands or Lizardfolk. Yes, of course Halcorg always assumed Kiritta would return, but in that 6 months: how did Halcorg express his opinion? Would he have effectively voted as an equal with the other cohorts or remained silent or opinionless? And in that 6 months, we've had practice making decisions, right? So that's what I trying to get at. Who has had a vote?

As for the Four Swords, Tatiana never would have treated them as equals with the cohorts or elected barons. Especially considering their adoration and hero-worship, I don't think they would have ever tried to get a vote. I was planning on adding them to my Leadership organization, because I thought Corsario was hinting that direction. However, ultimately Corsario writes the 6 months in the past.

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In fact, Tatiana is right, if offered, the Four Swords will decline, as they are bent on following Tatiana.
But does that means you are not going to offer Ferdinand Aldori's Barony to them?
Remember, in politiks the "formalities" are really important. As are the "pats on the back" ;)
You are right about the "size" compared to Pitax. But Pitax is MUCH MORE developed/established.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

The general things that everyone (the PCs I mean) seems to agree on in some fashion:

1) We have a Monarch. The buck has to stop with someone.
2) We have a noble class, Barons, who vote for a Monarch. All PCs are Barons. The NPCs who were promised Baronies are Barons.
3) The Barons elect a new Monarch via a majority every so often (two years?). If necessary, the Monarch can be voted out early if a majority of the Barons agree.
4) Monarch appoints people to cover certain roles like the cohorts have been doing.
5) Baronies are basically run as US states. They have to obey the founding laws of the land, but they can otherwise do whatever within reason.

I suppose we just need to define how the founding laws of the land are made.


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The two points... yes from me.
I also agree with Kiritta's points.
It is difficult for me to get a handle on things without any crunch.
I can only comment on how I perceive how others are perceiving things to be... and it may or may not be how Cosario sees things.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

I see no problem in a Baron not having a Barony. Nothing in the rules says they have to own it.

So...

1) We have a Monarch. The buck has to stop with someone.
2) We have a noble class, Barons, who vote for a Monarch. All PCs are Barons. The NPCs who were promised Baronies are Barons.
3) The Barons elect a new Monarch via a majority every so often (two years?). If necessary, the Monarch can be voted out early if a majority of the Barons agree.
4) Monarch appoints people to cover certain roles like the cohorts have been doing.
5) Baron can own an individual Barony, a province so to speak. These are established ala US states. Nothing says that a Baron has to their own fiefdom, though.
6) Baronies are basically run as US states. They have to obey the founding laws of the land, but they can otherwise do whatever within reason.
7) Founding Law Process needs to be established.


Male Lizardfolk (8 RP) Bard (Thundercaller) 8

Kirittia Your statement here totally 180*'s the way your opinion is in game. I mean you say shes a traveler and other things, would be horrible in a leadership role. So how and why would she advise such a strong opinion on government that gives little voice to people just like her?

I am new at this PBP stuff but I am a little confused. Play your character as you will don't get me wrong she seems interesting but she strikes me as more noble then world traveler.

Population: A settlement's population is approximately equal to the number of completed lots within its districts × 250. a grid that has all 36 lots filled with buildings has a population of approximately 9,000.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

Since Tatiana doesn't want to be Monarch, I suppose we just need to figure out a replacement. Venetia (assuming that she hasn't already torpedoed the option) seems to be the best of all the options. I suppose Janus could be King at some point, but he has a few things he needs to sort out.

I say we have "transition period" of sorts. Tatiana is remains on the throne for the rest of the year, while Venetia drums a lot of good will. Basically, we just need somewhat recreate the peaceful change of power that happened between George Washington and John Adams. Powers and duties are slowly transferred from one person to another. Massive PR campaign goes on all the while to get the populace ready for the new head of state.


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Corsario wrote:

In fact, Tatiana is right, if offered, the Four Swords will decline, as they are bent on following Tatiana.

But does that means you are not going to offer Ferdinand Aldori's Barony to them?
Remember, in politiks the "formalities" are really important. As are the "pats on the back" ;)
You are right about the "size" compared to Pitax. But Pitax is MUCH MORE developed/established.

But Ferdinand Aldori's Barony doesn't exist as you've said. Several original barons did not return, and Tatiana has been silent about them. Besides, while Tatiana has attempted to formally recognize the original barons, I don't think IC we've actually done it.

[snark]Yes, I'm personally still aggravated that you assumed that "pats on the back" did NOT occur during the bazillion points of communication that happened between Anando and Tatiana off screen over the past 6 months. I don't think that was a solid assumption for a character with a +15 Diplomacy. Just reacting to salt in wound.[/snark]

EDIT for Janus's post: Tatiana transitioning away to another PC is fine. At the moment, she won't let the leadership go without a fight, because she is concerned for the state of the kingdom. However, she never wanted to be queen and would be happy to see it go to someone worthy who does want to be.


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Our population should be around 1750 - 2000 people considering all the outlying farms and not including Maria and Leventon lands...


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

On the subject of Baronies, none of them sans the NPC Barons have really been established. I imagine the main focus of the PCs was taking out the Stag Lord. With him gone, we can now establish who wants a Barony and who doesn't want one.

For the record, Janus and Neji want their own joint one. It is totally going to be called Sevenstarland. The buck would stop with Janus, but Neji would be his "prime minister" so to speak. Vodyanoy would have a position of leadership as well, though what exactly that would be shall be decided at a later date (after Janus talks to him, Neji gets his input, etc.).

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Well, the point still exist...
Will you offer the Barony to the Four Swords? Or will you ignore them?
Sorry if you are not happy with Anando's reaction. Believe me, I tried to do roleplay him as best as I could.

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Xi'Tir wrote:
Our population should be around 1750 - 2000 people considering all the outlying farms and not including Maria and Leventon lands...

Maybe a little less, but you would need a census to know for sure...


Female Init +2; Senses Perception +10 AC 25 (Touch 12 Flatfooted 24) HP 43/89 F: +7, R: +4, W:+4

I have to agree with Tatiana.

We started by smashing the largest bandit group in the north, taking half of the Stag Lords lands from him and solidifying our hold over the river before pressing into the South.

We spent six months growing our settlement which in six months, not including all the outlying farms and other sworn (farmer) baronies from the NPC Wizard.

So we are larger then expected. ;)

I think Xi was going off the 250 people per block thing. Which is the Kingmaker rule.

But we aren't doing Kingmaker (somewhat lol)


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard(Diviner(Foresight)) 5/Harrower 3/Mythic(archmage) Tier 2 - HP:68/68; AC11,T11,FF10; F+5,R+5,W+9/+10; Perc+5; Init +7
Ti'Itza wrote:

Kirittia Your statement here totally 180*'s the way your opinion is in game. I mean you say shes a traveler and other things, would be horrible in a leadership role. So how and why would she advise such a strong opinion on government that gives little voice to people just like her?

I am new at this PBP stuff but I am a little confused. Play your character as you will don't get me wrong she seems interesting but she strikes me as more noble then world traveler.

Kiritta is a harrower, a Varisian wanderer. A vision brought her to Brevoy, and now to this new land. She seeks to help those around her and Halcorg will faithfully and protectively follow her almost anywhere. Although she personally is chaotic good to the core and would prefer no government at all, she recognizes (26 Int) that this will not serve the new nation with the opportunistic Bandit Kingdoms and Brevoy on the borders as well as all the other dangers, such as the dragon that the barons chased off.

Thus, she logically looked at what the founders had created and considered the governments, good and failed, that she knew of, and proposed what she believed would work best for the nation. However, she has no interest in being tied to one place. Owning a home in the capital where she and Halcorg can return to when necessary is one thing, being beholden to a fiefdom with the requisite requirement that the servants, workers and citizens are her responsibility is not something that she wants.

In other words, if the land is threatened, she will be there, and may well be the one to provide the warning with her focus on divination, but as far as day to day responsibilities goes, she will politely thank those offering and turn them down.

She will take the title of Baron and work with the government to see that the general good is the focus of the land. But, she will not be the one overseeing trials and day to day affairs. Heck, she may be on the far side of the world half the time. However, since beginning with next level she will be able to cast Teleport, she should be able to be back in the capital for meetings or other requirements of being a baron in a matter of minutes.


Male Lizardfolk (8 RP) Bard (Thundercaller) 8

Kirittia Thanks for the explanation, I am understanding your view point more now.

Reading text is hard to decipher meanings compared to face to face rp, it'll take some time to get used to. You guys are better then the Rpol'ers I played with. They were, for lack of a better term, dreadful at conveying their intent. Absolutely terrible, so many confusing situations...

However it must have just been the players I dealt with as on the Paizo boards it appears there are several great rp'ers here. Some of which are simply amazing.

For instance Ravingdork. Very insightful, humorous and I wonder if his avatar is a reflection of his RL self.


There wasn't squat for female halfling pictures but I absolutely love this one lol.

Kora Tealeaf, my little fiery lieutenant. :)


Ravingdork has some excellent points and is funny as hell. :)


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I think you picked a gnome. D:


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Ravingdork's name was changed by his brother from Ravendark. He kept it.

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I will post the other Baron's presentations then, and I am considering nothing is going to be "offered" to the Four Swords (wink wink). Sorry I won't be able to post it until the night. Please continue getting Sloboda together until then... Time to plan your next moves...


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Please don't assume anything with the 4 swords. I don't want another Anando event.

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They are not in the list, right?


Female Gnome Summoner 7/Archmage 1 | HP 80/80 | AC 18 | T 12 | FF 17 | CMD 13 | Fort +7 | Ref +5 | Will +8 | Init +1 | Perc +13

Unless my memory is failing me, they openly dedicated themselves to protect and serve the Queen. However, Janus gave everyone time to look over the list to make sure that everything is square. Out of game, I realized my mistake in forgetting them and put them down if they want to be on it. If the Four Swords want to be on that list, then they are going to be on that list.

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Ok, I will imagine the Four Swords are shown the list, without them in it. Is that correct?


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

Right, but Janus would have explained it as, "My friend Neji tells me that you four noble warriors dedicated yourselves to protect and serve our Monarchy. However, as his heirs, you also are entitled to your Lord's Barony. What do you want to do?"

Janus made a list and then passed it around for revisions. He just got back, so he might have missed someone; hence why he made sure to double and triple check with the others. Topper Red was given the final version. I kept it brief for the sack of time. I just wanted for there to be a perfectly crafted list of Barons so that everyone knew who would be leading/founding the Kingdom in some shape or form.

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Got it!
The Four Swords confirm they only want the privilege to serve as Queen Tatiana's Bodyguards. Their idea is to be like a "Secret Service". Protect the queen and be given important and dangerous missions.


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Plus, the whole point was to address the barons IN THE ROOM! So we can move on to make decisions.

Janus already mentioned that there were others not on the list who didn't return. Just like setting the bounty on du Caat's head and a memorial for Rupert, we would need to address those other barons as well as what to do with the Stag Lord's lands, etc.

Corsario, I don't know what your point of trying to create a something for the 4 Swords to be upset about. I'm getting very aggravated, because we can't even take one step forward.

And as a matter of fact, Tatiana would have put Anando on the list of barons with the cohorts as a voting member of the kingdom as the Treasurer.

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In fact the issue is not the 4 Swords, they are ok (wink-wink). You will see what was that about later.


Janus and Tatiana

I agree with the need to have a solid list however my opinion below differs some in regards to the Four Swords.

We can always make something akin to the King/Queens guard from game of thrones.

By becoming defenders of the Ruler of the nation, as our system of government isn't concrete, wouldn't it be beneficial to have them give up there rights to titles and lands? Because if they were barons or landed lords then they wouldn't be completely focused on defending the ruler and may have the chance to slip in their duties or be twisted by third parties.

Hence I would say the creation of a specific Royal Guard would be beneficial. Something like the Musketeers for lack of a better example. Then you would have.

Untitled, save for their Royal Guard ranks, specialized swordsmen/archers what have you that are solely dedicated to defending the kingdoms ruler and performing assignments as dictated by their ruler. Thus the creation of a Secret service that can perform more duties then just bodyguard work.

It's a simple choice, choosing the esteemed position of Defenders of the Realm and Her Lady/Lordship. Which means they surrender all titles and rights to lands or holdings as their sole duty will be protecting and serving the ruler of the realm in all capacities as dictated by Him/Her.


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Well, the 4 swords wanted to dedicate themselves to Tatiana and Szymon, because he's an Aldori swordlord and they want to be Aldori swordlords. Therefore, I was going to use the Leadership organization to manage them. However, if/when Tatiana is no longer queen, then the organization would follow her not the new monarch.

complications


Oh I see now. Now I am understanding and thanks for the clear insight Tatiana as I misunderstood the original 'problem' per say.

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Tatiana got the issue correctly... Are the Four Swords going to work for the Realm, or for her and Szymon?
If you ask them... for Tatiana.


Male Half-Elf Haunted Oracle of Life (Ancient Lorekeeper) 8/Hierophant 1

Based on the ideas proposed, it seems to me that we're aiming for some sort of US-UK hybrid style of government.

Anyway, the Eight Points are based off of what Janus has heard and what he thinks could be used to fill any holes. It is by no means final.

Janus' Eight Points

1) We shall have a Monarchy.

2) We shall have a noble class of Barons, who elect the Monarchy.

3) After a set number of years, the Barons elect a New Monarch via a majority. The Old Monarch can certainly keep reigning if the majority vote for them. If necessary, the Monarch can be voted out early if a majority of the Barons agree.

4) The Monarch shall appoint qualified people to cover certain positions of power within the central government.

5) Each Baron on the list of founders may own an individual Barony, a province or fiefdom of the Kingdom so to speak. These are established ala semi-autonomous states. A Baron does not have to have their own fiefdom.

6) Baronies shall be run as semi-autonomous states. They have to obey the sovereign laws of the land, but they can otherwise create their own rules and regulations within reason.

7) With the advice and approval of a Majority of the Barons (or their representatives), the Monarch shall make and enforce the sovereign laws of the land not already established in our constitution.

8) We shall have a Bill of Rights to protect the citizens of Sloboda.


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Yeh, upper and lower house with the upper having more of the final say, and the lower being more advisory - drafting statutes, recommending judges, etc. Over time as the nation becomes more stable, then the constitution can be rewritten to change the balance of power.


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Idea of Laws Not a huge need since it is in the background but I picture Slobada being like this at the moment.

Improper Speech: Night in the Stocks

Drunkenness: Not a Crime.

Prostitution: Not a Crime.

Assault: Light Flogging.

Theft: Light Flogging.

Burglary: Flogging

Tax Evasion: Flogging; Fines; Forced Labor, Imprisonment.

Smuggling: Heavy Flogging, Fines, Imprisonment.

Major Theft: Heavy flogging, Fines.

Destruction of Currency: Heavy flogging; Forced Labor.

Counterfeiting: Imprisonment; Forced Labor.

Arson: Heavy Flogging.

Treason: Imprisonment; Death by Hanging.

Piracy: Death by Drowning; Death by Hanging.

Murder: Death by Hanging, gibbeting.

Rape: Heavy Flogging, Fines, Forced Labor; Imrpisonment Castration.

Slavery (In all forms pertaining to sentient beings, does not pertain to Forced Labor due to severity of crimes committed.) Heavy Flogging, Fines, Forced Labor; Imprisonment.

Forced Labor, Fines and Flogging are preferred in most crimes as the kingdom doesn't have large prisons to house multiple offenders. But there are plenty of roads to be built.

This was the route many a bandit took to get into the good graces of the Silver Dragonflight. Not all made it but those that did are either excellent con men or reformed members of society. :)


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So much Flogging....

I see a pattern, Seraph is a masochist... ;o.O?


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>.<;;;;;;;

Shut up Xi. Last time you are allowed to go drinking with me again!

Besides it makes sense! We don't have a massive jail so flagellation, fines and labor is ideal. So hush! :P


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We'll probably have to define improper speech. Considering that we have at least three major religions (Desna, Erastil, and Arshea) and five major races (human, elf, half-elf, gnome, and lizardfolk) in the Kingdom right now, what exactly constitutes "improper speech" is highly subjective.

For example, what Neji's gnomish mind sees as acceptable to say to someone might offend an elf.


Male Lizardfolk (8 RP) Bard (Thundercaller) 8

Very true Neji, however in a real life campaign we had similar laws we had to follow. It was more along the lines of Truly awful speech, more akin to harassment really, that brought down the wrath of the watch. Perhaps that would clarify it better?

So you could offend people but you couldn't be in their face or belittling kids, grandma's and what have you with purely hateful speech.

It also came into affect when someone smarted off to nobility and the noble got them put in the stocks. Had that happen loads of times...


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Yeah you did, I swear you have no filter and the DM enjoyed Noblemen bumping into you.

Up until you incited a riot that torched the city...


Male Lizardfolk (8 RP) Bard (Thundercaller) 8

That wasn't my fault and doesn't apply here!

Besides they started it. :P Shouldn't mess with a swashbuckling rogue like myself~

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