Black Blade Damage Boost Stacking


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So assuming you are a level 5 blade bound magus can you stack arcane strike (+2 damage), black blade strike (+2), and the arcane pool ability to raise your weapons enchantment by (2) (assuming done over three turns) for a total +2 to accuracy and +6 to damage?

Also do weyang spell hunter/meta-magic master stack with arcane linage to allow an empowered intensified shocking grasp as a second level spell?

Scarab Sages

Yes.

Both black blade strike and arcane strike are untyped bonuses.

If you available, you can also stack power attack for a total of +1 accuracy and +8 damage.

Weyang spell hunter does stack with magical lineage.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Yes you can. You will find it however fairly time and resource intensive to do so.


Wind Chime wrote:
So assuming you are a level 5 blade bound magus can you stack arcane strike (+2 damage), black blade strike (+2), and the magus arcana ability to raise your weapons enchantment by (2) (assuming done over three turns) for a total +2 to accuracy and +6 to damage?

Black Blade (Ex) replaces the magus arcana gained at 3rd level, so you wouldn't have an arcana at 5th level. I assume you mean arcane pool, not arcana.

Arcane Pool (Su): "At 1st level, a magus can expend 1 point from his arcane pool as a swift action to grant any weapon he is holding a +1 enhancement bonus for 1 minute..."

Black Blade Strike (Sp): "As a free action, the magus can spend a point from the black blade's arcane pool to grant the black blade a +1 bonus on damage rolls for 1 minute. For every four levels beyond 1st, this ability gives the black blade another +1 on damage rolls."

Arcane Strike (Combat): "As a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power. For 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For every five caster levels you possess, this bonus increases by +1, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level."

The latter two are untyped bonuses, so they stack. It would only take two rounds to set up. Round 1 activate Arcane Pool (swift), round two activate black blade pool (free) and arcane strike (swift).

Wind Chime wrote:
Also do weyang spell hunter/meta-magic master stack with arcane linage to allow an empowered intensified shocking grasp as a second level spell?

Metamagic Master: "Choose: A spell of 3rd level or below. Benefit: When you use the chosen spell with a metamagic feat, it uses up a spell slot one level lower than it normally would."

Magical Lineage: "One of your parents was a gifted spellcaster who not only used metamagic often, but also developed many magical items and perhaps even a new spell or two—and you have inherited a fragment of this greatness. Pick one spell when you choose this trait. When you apply metamagic feats to this spell, treat its actual level as 1 lower for determining the spell's final adjusted level.

If you apply Magical Lineage last, it would work. If you apply Wayang/MMM last, then "one level lower than it normally would" means the reduction from ML is lost. IE: Ask your GM.


The only problem is you have an Arcane pool of probably 4-5 points, so you can only increase the enhancement bonus by 2 twice per day. Use it wisely.


And your Black Blade has even fewer!


Big Lemon wrote:
The only problem is you have an Arcane pool of probably 4-5 points, so you can only increase the enhancement bonus by 2 twice per day. Use it wisely.

Just to be clear, each use of the Arcane Pool ability uses one point. At level 5, you gain +2 worth of enhancement bonuses, but it still only costs one arcane pool point and only uses one swift action to activate.

So with a total combined pool of 5 points (if the magus has 14-15 Int) he could grant his blade +2 worth of enhancement bonus five times per day. (But if he's also using the black blade strike, then that costs separately, and he could only do it twice per day as you said)


Grick wrote:


So with a total combined pool of 5 points (if the magus has 14-15 Int) he could grant his blade +2 worth of enhancement bonus five times per day. (But if he's also using the black blade strike, then that costs separately, and he could only do it twice per day as you said)

Correct (combined pool). Keep in mind that the Black Blade strike uses the Black Blade's very limited arcane pool.


Does the elemental attunement black blade ability just change the weapon dice damage or all of its damage (static bonuses, attribute scores, power attack etc)?

Scarab Sages

Abyssian wrote:
Correct (combined pool). Keep in mind that the Black Blade strike uses the Black Blade's very limited arcane pool.

I'll use my level 6 magus (18 int) as an example.

My magus has arcane pool (6)
My black blade has arcane pool (2)

I can grant any weapon +2 worth of enhancement bonuses 6 times/day as a swift action.

I can grant my black blade +2 damage twice/day as a free action.

What this effectively means is: I can use my arcane pool for every encounter, I reserve my black blade's arcane pool for the BBEG.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Grick wrote:
Big Lemon wrote:
The only problem is you have an Arcane pool of probably 4-5 points, so you can only increase the enhancement bonus by 2 twice per day. Use it wisely.

Just to be clear, each use of the Arcane Pool ability uses one point. At level 5, you gain +2 worth of enhancement bonuses, but it still only costs one arcane pool point and only uses one swift action to activate.

So with a total combined pool of 5 points (if the magus has 14-15 Int) he could grant his blade +2 worth of enhancement bonus five times per day. (But if he's also using the black blade strike, then that costs separately, and he could only do it twice per day as you said)

And if you're going to do things like spell recall, that also eats up into the pool.


or you can take an archetype that trades our SR, to avoid the temptation.... I ALWAYS forget to SR.... so trading it out doesnt seem like a loss :)


Wind Chime wrote:
Does the elemental attunement black blade ability just change the weapon dice damage or all of its damage (static bonuses, attribute scores, power attack etc)?

Energy Attunement (Su): "At 5th level, as a free action, a magus can spend a point of his black blade's arcane pool to have it deal one of the following types of damage instead of weapon damage: cold, electricity, or fire. He can spend 2 points from the black blade's arcane pool to deal sonic or force damage instead of weapon damage. This effect lasts until the start of the magus's next turn."

What "instead of weapon damage" means is whatever damage would have been weapon damage is instead energy damage of the selected type. Additional damage types (such as from the flaming magic weapon property, or the Pool Strike arcana) remain what they were.

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