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Hey guys. Help me figure out how to play an undead character. I loved the undead monster classes from the 3.5 accessory Liberis Mortis, and am trying my hardest to convert them to Pathfinder in a way that they'll come out balanced due to the loss of empty levels from Level Adjustment. Digressing, can anyone help me create an undead PC viable at level 1, or at least tell me the Ability score array used for creatures in the Bestiary so that I may extract...say a ghoul (which I have played before. It was an interesting cursed paladin.) or a vampire spawn. Come on guys, give me a little necromantic love.
Can't you just apply the Vampire template to a core race and have done?
There are other Undead templates too, like the Undead Lord.
Some of them obviously might not be PC compatible (that may be one of them) but the templates should give you a good idea of what stats to add/subtract for an Undead PC.
There's also the Undead Bloodline Sorcerer, for less of a rule-bendy way to go about it, though you'd have to be, of course, a Sorcerer.
Maybe a Dhampir Undead Bloodline Sorcerer?
Were monster's stats generated differently for Pathfinder? You make it sound like rocket science and thus not to be calculated in reverse.
So if I'm...say a sorcerer or bard, I'll be fine. Not to mention most undead get a racial bonus to their Charisma...
could just be a human with the undead traits slapped onto him. expect to be attacked constantly.
Hmm... Quick Robin, to the ARG! Half-undead race coming up...
Hmm... Quick Robin, to the ARG! Half-undead race coming up...
actually i meant the creature type (outsider, plant, construct, etc.) just add undead and apply the stuff it has. easier than having to make an entirely new race.
Hmm... Quick Robin, to the ARG! Half-undead race coming up...actually i meant the creature type (outsider, plant, construct, etc.) just add undead and apply the stuff it has. easier than having to make an entirely new race.
I know, but I feel this merits a race. I'm actually getting good at making them and using abilities not mentioned in the ARG, and giving them balanced RP costs. Wrathtouched will be posted later.
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I know, but I feel this merits a race. I'm actually getting good at making them and using abilities not mentioned in the ARG, and giving them balanced RP costs. Wrathtouched will be posted later.Hmm... Quick Robin, to the ARG! Half-undead race coming up...actually i meant the creature type (outsider, plant, construct, etc.) just add undead and apply the stuff it has. easier than having to make an entirely new race.
those wonky costs are the death of that book, yeah.
Well, I see them more as guidelines and generalizations. I wouldn't ever give it to my players and say "have at it". That would be incredibly unbalanced. I think the Race generator is for the GM only, but that's just me.
Were monster's stats generated differently for Pathfinder? You make it sound like rocket science and thus not to be calculated in reverse.
No, you just asked for a way to make an Undead PC and I gave you the easiest I could think of. There's a bunch of templates and whatnot that can simply be put on regular creatures to make them Undead. I'd figure that was at least worth a cursory glance to see if they had something like what you were looking for before you went off and made one from scratch.
Thank you Rynjin. I didn't mean to sound arrogant. I was thinking more in the vein of Monster classes like Savage Species.
Well, the Creating New Races listed a "half undead" option. You basically slap it onto a preexisting race and add 5 rp to them. Might still be a bit off balance since usually I'd think GM's would not want you to have anything higher than 13 rp.
Normally for PC power the max is 15.
Maybe Play a Dhampyr?
Yeah, I saw the aasimir..with their darn two plus twos and no negatives.... *tiefling supporter pout..* But still, the core races do not go over 11, if I remember. So a slight question of power might come up.
Dhampyr is the simplest solution, but in the typically hero/antihero-centric nature of most campaigns, you might end up either forgetting you are one in the first place or end up as a Blade expy. I think this person might want the "oh, wait, I dropped an ear again" kind of undead. His first choice was a ghoul, after all. The easiest thing to do might be to simply revamp the half vamp dhampyrs. They have good numbers for an "Undead as PC" race. Talk with your GM and see what you can do.
Maybe see how much negative RP you can get out of the intense urge to feast upon the living might give you.
Umm... Antihero doesn't mean what I think you think it means.
And maybe use the Dhampyr Racial Feats to make you into more of a 3/4 Vamp. Maybe you are the child of a Vampire and a Dhampyr.
But Half-Undead aren't that hard to build.
Heck, use the Dhampyr as a base and modify it for your concept.
I've never looked at the race creation guidelines in the ARG, but for a quick race you could just give all the Undead Traits in place of racials (besides size which I guess you'd choose) and offer no ability score adjustment (as they can just buy what they want and already have a bonus because they only need to pay for 5 stats).
I'm working on a half-undead race right now. Anyone care to build with it when it is finished?
I'm working on a half-undead race right now. Anyone care to build with it when it is finished?
I will! After all I still have to finish building my Graveborn race.
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I'm working on a half-undead race right now. Anyone care to build with it when it is finished?I will! After all I still have to finish building my Graveborn race.
Here you guys go. I hope the mods don't move this thread as this is part of a much larger conversation. I tried, as I try with all the races I create, to make them of the same power as the Core races.
Wraithtouched are the offspring of those that survive the attack of a spectral undead.
Wraithtouched
Type: Humanoid (Half-Undead subtype) [Wraithtouched] (5 RP)
Wraithtouched have darkvision 60 feet.
Wraithtouched gain a +2 racial bonus on saving throws against disease and mind-affecting effects.
Wraithtouched take no penalties from energy-draining effects, though they can still be killed if they accrue more negative levels than they have Hit Dice. After 24 hours, any negative levels they’ve gained are removed without any additional saving throws.
Wraithtouched are harmed by positive energy and healed by negative energy. A half-undead creature with the fast healing special quality still benefits from
that quality.
Size: Medium (0 RP)
Base Speed: Normal [ 30ft] (0 RP)
Ability Score Modifier: Standard [ +2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma, -2 Strength] (0 RP)
Language Quality: Linguist [Common + any language except secret ones] (1 RP)
Skills Racial Traits
Skill Bonus: Wraithtouched get a +2 racial bonus to Stealth. (2 RP)
Defensive Racial Traits
Shadow Blending: Attacks made against Wraithtouched while they are within areas of dim light have a 50% miss chance instead of the normal 20% miss chance. This trait does not grant total concealment; it just increases the miss chance. This is a supernatural ability. (1 RP)
Offensive Racial Traits
Terrifying Scream: Wraithtouched gain the following supernatural ability: Once per hour as a standard action, a member of this race can emit a ghostly wail. Any creature not half-undead must make a successful Will saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 the user’s character level + the user’s Charisma modifier) or become shaken for 1d4 rounds. A target that successfully saves cannot be affected by the user’s terrifying croak for 24 hours. Creatures that are already shaken become frightened for 1d4 rounds instead. This is a sonic, mindaffecting effect. (2 RP)
Senses Racial Traits
Low-Light Vision (1 RP)
Weakness Racial Traits
Light Sensitivity: Wrathtouched are dazzled as long as they
remain in an area of bright light. (-1 RP)
Total RP: 11 RP
If anyone decides to use this race or mention it elsewhere in the forums, please credit me and post a link back to this thread. Thank you.
I really want to rework my Dhampyr Fighter/Sorcerer/Arcane Archer into a Wraithtouched Fighter/Sorcerer/Arcane Archer.
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Recent aspects of the current "vampire craze", and the previous one(if you are old enough to remember it), are just some of the many reasons the Dhampyr leave a very terrible taste in my mouth.
Mine is LE and is far from a Pretty-Boy-Male-Stripper-Wearing-Way-To-Bloody-Much-Glitter.
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Recent aspects of the current "vampire craze", and the previous one(if you are old enough to remember it), are just some of the many reasons the Dhampyr leave a very terrible taste in my mouth.Mine is LE and is far from a Pretty-Boy-Male-Stripper-Wearing-Way-To-Bloody-Much-Glitter.
Brad Pitt the Masquerade?
Brad Pitt the Masquerade?Recent aspects of the current "vampire craze", and the previous one(if you are old enough to remember it), are just some of the many reasons the Dhampyr leave a very terrible taste in my mouth.Mine is LE and is far from a Pretty-Boy-Male-Stripper-Wearing-Way-To-Bloody-Much-Glitter.
What?
You guys are funny. Indeed, I'm tired of the vampire craze. Vampires are NOT under a constant glitterdust effect.
EDIT: What do you guys think of mah race?
You guys are funny. Indeed, I'm tired of the vampire craze. Vampires are NOT under a constant glitterdust effect.
EDIT: What do you guys think of mah race?
I like it. It feels very stealthy and I kinda like the wail.
Though I feel it would be better if it had a bonus to Stealth and maybe Negative Energy Affinity.
You guys are funny. Indeed, I'm tired of the vampire craze. Vampires are NOT under a constant glitterdust effect.
EDIT: What do you guys think of mah race?
I like it. It feels very stealthy and I kinda like the wail.
Though I feel it would be better if it had a bonus to Stealth and maybe Negative Energy Affinity.
It does have a bonus to stealth and the negative energy affinity is part of the half undead subtype.
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What?Brad Pitt the Masquerade?Recent aspects of the current "vampire craze", and the previous one(if you are old enough to remember it), are just some of the many reasons the Dhampyr leave a very terrible taste in my mouth.Mine is LE and is far from a Pretty-Boy-Male-Stripper-Wearing-Way-To-Bloody-Much-Glitter.
One of the previous fazes was after Interview with the Vampire(starring Brad Pitt), and the sudden popularity of the Vampire: The Masquerade.
Maybe he's black, and named Blade?
Wraithtouched...giving the ghostly finger to all those Damphyr loving twilight fans. *Insert thumbs up here*
It does have a bonus to stealth and the negative energy affinity is part of the half undead subtype.You guys are funny. Indeed, I'm tired of the vampire craze. Vampires are NOT under a constant glitterdust effect.
EDIT: What do you guys think of mah race?
I like it. It feels very stealthy and I kinda like the wail.
Though I feel it would be better if it had a bonus to Stealth and maybe Negative Energy Affinity.
Ok now I see the Skill Bonus. It is isn't it... Why didn't you call it out more to make sure it gets included?
What?Brad Pitt the Masquerade?Recent aspects of the current "vampire craze", and the previous one(if you are old enough to remember it), are just some of the many reasons the Dhampyr leave a very terrible taste in my mouth.Mine is LE and is far from a Pretty-Boy-Male-Stripper-Wearing-Way-To-Bloody-Much-Glitter.One of the previous fazes was after Interview with the Vampire(starring Brad Pitt), and the sudden popularity of the Vampire: The Masquerade.
Maybe he's black, and named Blade?
I caught the ass end of that craze and drifted in the goth doldrums before emo slit goth's wrists and twilight destroyed any notion of the classic vampire ever...
Ok now I see the Skill Bonus. It is isn't it... Why didn't you call it out more to make sure it gets included?It does have a bonus to stealth and the negative energy affinity is part of the half undead subtype.You guys are funny. Indeed, I'm tired of the vampire craze. Vampires are NOT under a constant glitterdust effect.
EDIT: What do you guys think of mah race?
I like it. It feels very stealthy and I kinda like the wail.
Though I feel it would be better if it had a bonus to Stealth and maybe Negative Energy Affinity.
Since it was included in the subtype, I didn't draw attention to it. I'd edit the post if I could, but Que sera sera. Oh...Wraithtouched Hexcrafter...the posibilities are...oddly disturbing...yet...disturbingly arousing.
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I actually tried playing Vampire: The Masquerade during that time.
Probably the main cause of my distaste for most things vampire.
I did like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter though.
If I ever play a Dhampyr, I will want to reflavor the history to be descendant from Ghouls.
Though, my favorite undead a Mohrgs.
I actually tried playing Vampire: The Masquerade during that time.
Probably the main cause of my distaste for most things vampire.
I did like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter though.
If I ever play a Dhampyr, I will want to reflavor the history to be descendant from Ghouls.
Though, my favorite undead a Mohrgs.
Liberis Mortis had a Mohrg monster class that scaled 20 levels. I had a pretty sucessful go at running it. I never even multiclassed and still whupped ass. I'd run in, paralyze things, and let the wizard hit them with AoE...
Recent aspects of the current "vampire craze", and the previous one(if you are old enough to remember it), are just some of the many reasons the Dhampyr leave a very terrible taste in my mouth.
Lost Boys vampire craze was best vampire craze.
Also, I like this Wraithtouched race Luna. It could make a fun Ninja or Sorcerer I think.
I was referring to Twilight.
Though I kinda like the House of Night novels.
Luna... I have to agree on the Wraithtouched Hexcrafter...
Great all of a sudden I can't stop thinking of Sankarea.
I'm writing up a little fluff for the race along with including racial vital statistics. I'm going to clean up the breakdown to look more in line with the typical PF race. Give me a bit guys. Why not make a ninja or sorc build, Rynjin and let us see it?
I'll chuck it on there tomorrow. It's 4 AM and I need some sleep.
But hey, I'm off for Thanksgiving!
So I'll mess around with it later.
I've never built something to show to other people, what should I build it out to? 10, 15, 20?
Luna why don't you post up a Google Doc for the race and share it that way we ca get any updates dynamicaly?
@bbt: Why did I immediately think of Rosario+Vampire's Touhou Fuhai?
Why do you guys keep making me think of Manga/Anime!
Wraithtouched
When a pregnant woman is attack by an incorporeal undead and survives or if the ghost of a person's lover comes to visit them on a night when the stars are aligned just right, the child is sometimes born tainted by the essense of it's mother's attacker/fallen lover.
Wraithtouched are typically reserved and tend to keep to themselves, mostly due to the fact that if their nature was known by the general populace, they'd be hunted much like the creatures whose essence running coldly through their veins.
Wraithtouched tend towards chaotic alignments, more often than not giving into the evil inherit in their blood. However, good Wraithtouched are usually found working to free oppressed people or fighting to destroy undead, especially incorporeal undead.
Wraithtouched are about the same height and weight as a human. Skin colors range from pale white or washed out blue to ashy grey. Their eyes are typically the color of blood.
+2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma, -2 Strength: Wraithtouched are quick and charming, but their ties to spectral undead have lessened their physical vigor.
Wraithtouched: Wraithtouched are humanoids with the Wraithtouched subtype.
Medium: Wraithtouched are Medium creatures and have no bonuses or penelties due to their size.
Normal Speed: Wraithtouched have a base land speed of 30feet.
Senses: Wraithtouched have Low-light vision and darkvision 60 feet.
Ghost Walk: Wraithtouched have a +2 bonus to Stealth
Undead Resistances: Wraithtouched gain a +2 racial bonus on saving throws against disease and mind-affecting effects.
Light Sensitivity: Wrathtouched are dazzled in areas of bright sunlight or within the radius of a daylight spell.
Negitive Energy Affinity: Although a living creature, a wraithtouched reacts to positive and negative energy as if they were undead - positive energy harms it while negative energy heals it.
Shadow Blending (Su): Attacks made against Wraithtouched while they are within areas of dim light have a 50% miss chance instead of the normal 20% miss chance. This trait does not grant total concealment; it just increases the miss chance.
Terrifying Scream: Once per hour as a standard action, a wraithtouched can emit a ghostly wail. Any creature not half-undead must make a successful Will saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 the user’s character level + the user’s Charisma modifier) or become shaken for 1d4 rounds. A target that successfully saves cannot be affected by the user’s ghostly wail for 24 hours. Creatures that are already shaken become frightened for 1d4 rounds instead. This is a sonic, mindaffecting effect.
Resist Level Drain (Ex): Wraithtouched take no penalties from energy-draining effects, though he can still be killed if he accrue more negative levels than they have Hit Dice. After 24 hours, any negative levels a wraithtouched has gained are removed without any additional saving throws.
Languages: A wraithtouched begins play speaking Common. A wraithtouched with a high Intelligence score can choose any language it wants (except secret languages, such as Druidic).
Vital Statisics are the same as a Damphyr.
As before, If anyone decides to use this race or mention it elsewhere in the forums, please credit me and post a link back to this thread. Thank you all for giving me some love.
Actually, I am pretty fond of the Touhou Vampires.
Flandre Scarlet is my favorite.
You have excellent taste. :)
I'll chuck it on there tomorrow. It's 4 AM and I need some sleep.
But hey, I'm off for Thanksgiving!
So I'll mess around with it later.
I've never built something to show to other people, what should I build it out to? 10, 15, 20?
Let's see it out to 10. I trust you'll make a sexy build. Add a little character fluff to it too. Where did they come from and stuuf like that. Just something a little generic.
Luna why don't you post up a Google Doc for the race and share it that way we ca get any updates dynamicaly?
@bbt: Why did I immediately think of Rosario+Vampire's Touhou Fuhai?
Why do you guys keep making me think of Manga/Anime!
I don't know how to make Google docs.
Rosario+Vampire is my favorite anime right now. 13 panty shots in the first episode alone. (The wifey and I counted). Now I've got to make a race based on Mizore...
I prefer the Manga better. The story flows better. That being said...
CURRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually built Mizore as an Yuki-Onna with levels as a Ice/Water Elemental Sorcerer for use in my games & Kurumu as a Succubus with levels in Sorcerer (or maybe it was Bard) with a focus on Illusions. Still working on a cut down Yuki-Onna race. Same with a cut down Succubus race.
You have excellent taste. :)Actually, I am pretty fond of the Touhou Vampires.
Flandre Scarlet is my favorite.
I agree whole-heartedly, though I like Remilia just as much if not even more.
Also, the Wraithtouched here seems like an interesting concept with nice stats.
I prefer the Manga better. The story flows better. That being said...
CURRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually built Mizore as an Yuki-Onna with levels as a Ice/Water Elemental Sorcerer for use in my games & Kurumu as a Succubus with levels in Sorcerer (or maybe it was Bard) with a focus on Illusions. Still working on a cut down Yuki-Onna race. Same with a cut down Succubus race.
I agree on the manga. Let me see them when you get them cut down. I try to make all my races the same in power as the Core races, but I won't go over 16 RP as a rule. If it's more powerful than an Aasimar (RP wise), it shouldn't be used as a Player race, although there are exceptions.
My 2 CP
Just remove the additional HD, lower some spell-like abilities in power and drop the Spell Resistance a bit if possible.
Creating new races and builds isn't that hard, and the ARG guidelines aren't as important as common sense and good judgement.