I have a Bab +11/+6/+1
I can cast Form of the Dragon II which grants a Bite, 2 claws, 2 wing and a tail slap.
If I continue to use my 2-handed sword for my 3 regular attacks, do I get the bite/wing/wing/tail also?
At what bab would the dragon form attacks have?
I think it's this...
Greatsword +11/+6/+1 plus bite [+6]/ wing [+6]/ wing [+6]/ tail [+6] but I'm really not sure.
Then, how much Str bonus do I add to those extra attacks?
Please help!
Stone the Crows wrote: I have a Bab +11/+6/+1
I can cast Form of the Dragon II which grants a Bite, 2 claws, 2 wing and a tail slap.
If I continue to use my 2-handed sword for my 3 regular attacks, do I get the bite/wing/wing/tail also?
At what bab would the dragon form attacks have?
I think it's this...
Greatsword +11/+6/+1 plus bite [+6]/ wing [+6]/ wing [+6]/ tail [+6] but I'm really not sure.
Then, how much Str bonus do I add to those extra attacks?
Looks correct to me. You forgo your claws attacks in order to use your hands with the sword.
Greatsword will have standard 1.5xStr to damage, all your natural attacks have become secondary, this is why they are at BAB-5, so they only half your strength bonus to damage.
Natural Attacks
I don't think a Dragon can wield a great sword can they??
also FotD2 makes you a large dragon... so assuming your GM allowed you to use a sword in dragon form... unless it's changed in pathfinder, a large creature can use a greatsword in one hand...
But, if I were your GM, I'd likely tell you that when you adopt the dragon form from FotD2 you will not be allowed to use a greatsword because you don't have the right articulation in your forelimbs.
but would you rather have the attack profile of
+11/+6/+1 then +6 +6 +6 +6
GS GS GS Bite Wing Wing Tail
or
+11 +11 +11 +6 +6 +6
for Bite Claw Claw Wing Wing Tail
you lose one attack, but you lose the +1 BAB attack... so you're likely missing that one anyhow...
you're also improving two attacks to +11 BAB, so increasing the likely hood of hitting with those two attacks. granted they'll only be doing (1D8 + str) damage as opposed to the (2D6 +1.5 str). but if they hit more frequently that will translate into more damage per round.
I can understand that you'd want to be able to attack as many times as possible, but the interest should be in doing as much damage as possible. so at the levels required to cast FotD2, you're going to want a high BAB to go along with the attacks so that you actually hit, and do damage.
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dragons receive +1.5 Str on bite attacks and have a 10ft reach too. Do you also get that with FotD?
j b 200 wrote: dragons receive +1.5 Str on bite attacks and have a 10ft reach too. Do you also get that with FotD? Good question.
Dragon, Bite: "This is a primary attack that deals the indicated damage plus 1-1/2 times the dragon's Strength bonus (even though it has more than one attack). A dragon's bite attack has reach as if the creature were one size category larger (+10 feet for Colossal dragons)."
Polymorph: "In addition to these benefits, you gain any of the natural attacks of the base creature, including proficiency in those attacks. These attacks are based on your base attack bonus, modified by your Strength or Dexterity as appropriate, and use your Strength modifier for determining damage bonuses."
So is the dragon's fancy bite an inherent part of the natural attack, or a special thing granted to dragons outside of the natural attack? I'm inclined to think you would get the bonus as it seems to be how dragon physiology works.
As for greatswords:
Polymorph: "When you cast a polymorph spell that changes you into a creature of the animal, dragon, elemental, magical beast, plant, or vermin type, all of your gear melds into your body."
So, even if a dragon could wield a greatsword, you'll have to drop it, polymorph, then pick it back up. (And if it doesn't match your size you've got penalties)
I assume they're physically capable of wielding them. They drink potions and use magic items and stuff, right? With nimble dragon hands?
Grick wrote: Dragon, Bite: "This is a primary attack that deals the indicated damage plus 1-1/2 times the dragon's Strength bonus (even though it has more than one attack). A dragon's bite attack has reach as if the creature were one size category larger (+10 feet for Colossal dragons)."
Polymorph: "In addition to these benefits, you gain any of the natural attacks of the base creature, including proficiency in those attacks. These attacks are based on your base attack bonus, modified by your Strength or Dexterity as appropriate, and use your Strength modifier for determining damage bonuses."
So is the dragon's fancy bite an inherent part of the natural attack, or a special thing granted to dragons outside of the natural attack? I'm inclined to think you would get the bonus as it seems to be how dragon physiology works.
with the rules stated there regarding Polymorph, and natural attacks, i would hazard to guess that the polymorphed character would get the full benefits of the dragon bite... 1.5x str on a bite, and the additional reach.
Grick wrote: As for greatswords:
Polymorph: "When you cast a polymorph spell that changes you into a creature of the animal, dragon, elemental, magical beast, plant, or vermin type, all of your gear melds into your body."
So, even if a dragon could wield a greatsword, you'll have to drop it, polymorph, then pick it back up. (And if it doesn't match your size you've got penalties)
I assume they're physically capable of wielding them. They drink potions and use magic items and stuff, right? With nimble dragon hands?
As for the magic item use for dragons, that's a little different...
again my knowledge on this comes from D&D 3.5 vs Pathfinder.
Dragons don't really drink potions the same way as PC's or humanoids for that matter, they just eat the container.
Draconomicon Pg. 24 wrote: A dragon usually lacks weapon proficiencies and full prehensile appendages, so it cannot employ weapons. if a dragon assumes a form with a prehensile appendage, it can wield weapons while in that form, but it remains nonproficient.
-snip-
any dragon is capable of using potions. in most circumstances, a dragon doesn't even bother opening the container; it simply swallows it or chews it up. because a dragon can eat just about anything, this doesn't cause any problems for the dragon, nor does it change the effect of the potion in any way.
Because magic items that must be worn will fit users of any size, a dragon can use any magic item a humanoid character can.
So based on this, I don't think a dragon would be able to pull a potion out of a back pack or saddle bags because it's hands are just not that nimble. if it has all the time in the world to rummage, then sure, eventually it'll get the potion out. but during combat i'd say no.
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