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Someone | tell | guys [the] [paizo]
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we | would like | to be \ able [to diagram | sentences {on \ posts [our]}]
You're right. That is not elegant at all.
You | are \ right.
That | is \ elegant [not] [at \ all].
My sentences are easier.
Sentences [my] | are \ easier.
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Oh no!
Someone tell the paizo guys that we would like to be able to diagram sentences on our posts.
I did that once when someone accused me of not writing a post in English (that is, diagrammed the sentence I wrote and posted a link to the image).
That was just before the thread got locked.
Someone | tell | guys [the] [paizo]
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we | would like | to be \ able [to diagram | sentences {on \ posts [our]}]You're right. That is not elegant at all.
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*slow clap*
My fellow Grammarians; write faster: write harder.
:)
Sentence diagram = MSPaint + Photobucket.
But that sounds like effort.
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My fellow Grammarians; write faster: write harder.
:)
*head asplodes*
ducks flailing half-intestine-wielding infernal healer's assault
>innocent whistling<
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I would like to apologize about my comment on the first page. I was in a bad mood and I think I added my own spin to the first few comments and I was harsh. One of my colleagues at work has the terrible habit of correcting people's grammar and pronunciation to their face while engaging in friendly chit chat. He has the tendency to do this to everyone regardless of how well he knows them. That day he did it to the cleaning lady. She was very put off and I could tell he hurt her feelings. I was really embarrassed. When I got home I saw the thread and I think I heard everyone's comments in my head as the voice of William Buckley.
My comment really rubbed two individuals the wrong way and they walked away with the wrong idea, talked about it in other threads, and apparently privately to each other. That was my fault because I wasn't clear.
To start over...
I find nothing wrong with being annoyed by poor spelling. I am annoyed by poor mathematics and a lack of basic knowledge in science (like when my students tell me that there is no gravity on the moon).
It is my opinion that publicly correcting another adult's grammar or spelling in a social situation, when you do not know each other that well, is unwarranted, especially when it is a minor mistake. If the mistake is something that the poster continually repeats, a private message, that is polite and friendly, to point the repeated mistake out would be okay. If the spelling or grammar mistake muddles the meaning of the post, ask the person to clarify what they mean.
Tip toeing around someone's poor spelling and grammar should not be done in an academic setting. A teacher should always correct his or her student's grammar. Also, in a professional setting an employee using poor grammar and spelling should be corrected by his or her colleagues.
I do believe that people should strive to use proper spelling and grammar when they communicate. I have nothing against those that do.
Ah, my bad; I've done the same thing.No, it's my bad. I should be more careful during rewriting sentences. I keep telling myself that every time I notice that I made that kind of error :("BAD" ...IS...NOT...A...NOUN!!!!!!"
Pant, pant, wheeze, okay, got that pet peeve out of my system. Sorry if I made a scene.
Where were we?
bad [bad] 45. idiom my bad, Slang: my fault! my mistake!
Sorry, but excessive and constant usage of a grammatical error until official dictionaries finally stop rolling their eyes at the uneducated heathens and throw them a bone by including it as possible definition NUMBER FORTY-FIVE, doth not a correct usage make (in my books, at least...)
Of course, the most annoying thing about that usage by far is that I've been so beaten down by, it, I find myself using it, too! A little part of me dies every time I do it.
Clearly I have issues...
Sorry, but excessive and constant usage of a grammatical error until official dictionaries finally stop rolling their eyes at the uneducated heathens and throw them a bone by including it as possible definition NUMBER FORTY-FIVE, doth not a correct usage make (in my books, at least...)
Except that it is "incorrect" usage that allows a language to grow and change, to be a living thing. There's the rub. People look at others that use "axe" instead of "ask" as uneducated or less intelligent, when that is simply a phonetic shift. It happened once before around Chaucer's time, when the word was "aks." Look at the Canterbury Tales. Chaucer shifts between "aks" and "ask" whenever one word would suit the rhyme scheme better.
Granted, there's a huge difference between the language as it is spoken and the language as it is written...
Of course, the most annoying thing about that usage by far is that I've been so beaten down by, it, I find myself using it, too! A little part of me dies every time I do it.
Clearly I have issues...
It happened once before around Chaucer's time, when the word was "aks." Look at the Canterbury Tales. Chaucer shifts between "aks" and "ask" whenever one word would suit the rhyme scheme better.
Was that common usage, though, or artistic license?
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I need to start axing people when I don't understand them.
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I need to start axing people when I don't understand them.
A guy in my group uses the phonetic shift so much that its a running gag with the dwarves.
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Which is why I have adopted a new life motto, "Behave as if you are stupid, people will expect less of you."
Or promote you.
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It happened once before around Chaucer's time, when the word was "aks." Look at the Canterbury Tales. Chaucer shifts between "aks" and "ask" whenever one word would suit the rhyme scheme better.Was that common usage, though, or artistic license?
Evidently, "aks" has a long history and was, at times, the preferred form of the word. It has an uninterrupted lineage from Old English to modern dialects, and is found in parts of the US, England, and the West Indies.
the Oxford English Dictionary . . . tells us that Old English had two forms, acsian and ascian, the former being the literary standard until about 1600, when the latter gained the imprimatur of being the high style variant.
There are really three sorts of grammar/spelling mistakes that irk me.
1. The person who tries to use words, phrases, literary references, allusions or allegories without knowing how to use them properly, but who thinks that making the attempt makes them look smarter.
2. The person who simply doesn't seem to care at all about spelling or grammar and who posts run-on sentences so full of egregious errors that I can't get halfway through the first sentence without gritting my teeth.
3. The person who litters their posts with inappropriate slang in an attempt to look cool, hip or "gangsta".
I mostly roll my eyes at the following annoyances because I see them used incorrectly by so many people that clearly have some education and mostly seem to be trying to use the language properly:
role/roll
grammer
there/their/they're
mute point
360 degree turn
irregardless
its/it's (I mess this one up too much myself)
verbing nouns
your/you're
fewer/less
loose/lose (and bizarre mutated variants like "looser/loser")
could care less
intensive purposes
to/too/two
I have to stop now, I'm getting all depressed.
Except that it is "incorrect" usage that allows a language to grow and change, to be a living thing. There's the rub. People look at others that use "axe" instead of "ask" as uneducated or less intelligent, when that is simply a phonetic shift. It happened once before around Chaucer's time, when the word was "aks." Look at the Canterbury Tales. Chaucer shifts between "aks" and "ask" whenever one word would suit the rhyme scheme better.
Granted, there's a huge difference between the language as it is spoken and the language as it is written...
This has shifted slightly from spelling to spoken language, but I agree.
I have a very intelligent, fellow jazz musician friend that cannot say the names Aebersold and Abercrombie - he pronounces them "Ambersold" and "Ambercrombie". He does, however, spell them correctly. I've also known a number of people that say ask instead of ask, and as far as I know, none of them misspell the word.
As I understand it, this is not a lack of understanding or knowledge, just one funny little wrinkle in their mental processes of "word-in-brain"*** to "word-out-of-mouth"***. Nevertheless, it can cause sniggers in some social settings. To me, it seems more like red-green colourblindness, I.e. a minor neurological trait.
***May not be actual medical or psychological terms.
But these people without fail claim that where they are from, it's how you pronounce that word, and that's where I call bull.
Well, that doesn't apply to the folks I know. Just relating my experience, not making a global statement :)
I mostly roll my eyes at the following annoyances...
360 degree turn
Huh? What's so wrong about a 360 degree turn? *innocent smile*
Granted, you could do a 720 degree turn instead, confusing your opponents even more...*scnr*
I certainly see people make a 360 degree turn, from time to time. Someone tries to change his ways, reversing his previous course, but then winds up going back to his old habits.
Does anyone remember that Seinfeld episode "The Secretary"? In it, George got a secretary at work, and got to do the interviewing for the position. Jerry implied that George, characteristically, would select the most beautiful woman for the job, but George denied that he would do so this time. "I’ll never get any work done. So I’m doing a complete 360. I’m going for total efficiency and ability."
Jerry replied "That's a 180, George."
True to his word, George actually hired an applicant who was not particularly attractive. He even rejected candidates on the grounds that they were too beautiful, and that their looks would distract him. What made this funny was that George wound up falling for his plain-looking secretary, and having an affair with her. So he did a complete 360 after all.
(Of course, using the term "360" when clearly meaning "180" may show a misunderstanding of mathematical units, rather than a linguistic problem.)
But these people without fail claim that where they are from, it's how you pronounce that word, and that's where I call bull.
Sometimes, it's true. I was never more confused than when I asked for directions regarding certain towns in Missouri and Illinois.
"I'm from near Rye-oh." "Isn't that Rio, roomie?" "Nope, not far from Kay-ro." "...I thought it was Cairo."
"So, you need to go through El Do-ray-do and Ne-vay-da." *looks at map, sees El Dorado and Nevada* "Ok..."
And then there's a lot of stuff from England. Two words: Worcestershire sauce.
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But these people without fail claim that where they are from, it's how you pronounce that word, and that's where I call bull.
WIth the ammount of linguistic shift that can exist within a single city, you don't think their are regions with minor variations?
I mean, look at South Baustan, or as the rest of the world calls it South Boston.
But these people without fail claim that where they are from, it's how you pronounce that word, and that's where I call bull.Sometimes, it's true. I was never more confused than when I asked for directions regarding certain towns in Missouri and Illinois.
"I'm from near Rye-oh." "Isn't that Rio, roomie?" "Nope, not far from Kay-ro." "...I thought it was Cairo."
"So, you need to go through El Do-ray-do and Ne-vay-da." *looks at map, sees El Dorado and Nevada* "Ok..."
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That issue is pretty prevalent here in southwest Missouri. Many towns with French names are pronounced with American pronunciation instead of the French.
Versailles: Ver-sales
Avilla: a-vila
Yet, somehow, we get potato lake (Pomme de Terre) correct.
Which is why I have adopted a new life motto, "Behave as if you are stupid, people will expect less of you."Or promote you.
Ah, the good ol' Peter Principle Apotheosis.
When someone uses "loose" instead of "lose." Annoys me to no end.
The word 'lose' annoys me no end. Written 'lose' = spoken 'looz' ???
It's a wonder more people don't confuse it with 'loose.'
3. The person who litters their posts with inappropriate slang in an attempt to look cool, hip or "gangsta".
You probably shouldn't visit planeswalker.com then. ;)
(Actually despite the source material, posters there tend to be well-written.)
But these people without fail claim that where they are from, it's how you pronounce that word, and that's where I call bull.WIth the ammount of linguistic shift that can exist within a single city, you don't think their are regions with minor variations?
I mean, look at South Baustan, or as the rest of the world calls it South Boston.
Vowels are a peeve of mine. As a New York Stater, I say 'Bauston.' The AU is as in 'haul.' The spoken O is actually that upside-down phonetic e, that doesn't sound like any vowel.
What the characters of The Departed say is 'Baston.' (Again with that ambiguous O.)
In swedish dialetcs, we get "onsynlig" for "osynlig" and "skorpinjon" for "skorpion". Osynlig means invisible. "onsynlig" would mean "visible to an on", whatever an "on" might be. No, it's not dialect. It's laziness and stubbornness.