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was playing at paizo, and a few times came accross new players, playing pregens in pathfinder society games ( not the modules ), and the GM told the players they could either apply it to a 1st level PC, or hold the credit until the player reached the low tier for the scenario. I seemed to be the only one at the table that hadn't seen that anywhere in the society guide. is that something new?
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was playing at paizo, and a few times came accross new players, playing pregens in pathfinder society games ( not the modules ), and the GM told the players they could either apply it to a 1st level PC, or hold the credit until the player reached the low tier for the scenario. I seemed to be the only one at the table that hadn't seen that anywhere in the society guide. is that something new?
This is also SLIGHTLY inaccurate; they can hold the credit until their character is of the same level as the pregen they played. It's not based on the tier-subtier of the scenario.
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OK, just so I have this completely straight in my head. A player can play a pregen and apply the chronicle to any character they have, but it does not become active until they reach the level of the pregen.
From reading through the text on pg 4 (as well as the section about chronicle sheets in teh back of the Guide), am I reading it correctly that a 1st level pregen can only be applied to a new character as their first adventure, but any additional 1st level pregens would not be able to be applied to that same PC?
Do non-1st level pregen earned chronicles count towards the PCs XP/PP totals before it becomes active or is it completely inert until they hit that level?
Is there a limit as to the number of chronicle sheets that can be applied to a single character in this manner? Also, would one potentially be able to play a 5th level pregen 3 times and have all three chronicles apply to a single PC?
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Is there a limit as to the number of chronicle sheets that can be applied to a single character in this manner? Also, would one potentially be able to play a 5th level pregen 3 times and have all three chronicles apply to a single PC?
I do not believe that there is a limit. You would not want to apply too many as you would fall behind the wealth curve. I would expect that you would apply chronicles in the order earned.
Standard pregens come in 1st, 4th and 7th level. Currently, the only legal 5th level pregens are for the Dawn of the Scarlet Sun module and can only be played with that module.
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The answer to zylphryx question is something I'd like to know too, because there are a couple new players who haven't been able to make characters in the games I've been in and one of them has run three 1st level pregens.
In that case, would she be able to make a character and instantly become level two with the three credits? Or would she only be able to apply the 1st level pregens to three separate characters, one each?
1970Zombie - From your answer it would seem like she would be able to create a level 2 character (just as if she had GM'd three games and applied credit to a newly created character). But why would they fall behind the wealth curve? They earn the same gold and prestige from the pregens, don't they?
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You can only play a pregen and receive credit if you do not have a character in the level range of the scenario. If it is a Tier 1-5 scenario, there is really no excuse why someone should have played three scenarios and be holding three Tier 1-2 Chronicles that can be applied to a newly created character unless they played three games during day 1 of a convention.
If you have a character that falls in the level range of the scenario, you can't opt to play a pregen and then turn around and give one of your real characters credit.
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You can only play a pregen and receive credit if you do not have a character in the level range of the scenario. If it is a Tier 1-5 scenario, there is really no excuse why someone should have played three scenarios and be holding three Tier 1-2 Chronicles that can be applied to a newly created character unless they played three games during day 1 of a convention.
If you have a character that falls in the level range of the scenario, you can't opt to play a pregen and then turn around and give one of your real characters credit.
Right, but the scenario of someone playing a level 4 pregen 3 times and a level 7 pregen 3 times when they have a 1st level character is in the realm of possibility, which would result in the PC effectively skipping from level 3 to level 5 and from level 6 to level 8 once they hit the required levels.
Are the pregen chronicle sheets completely inert until the PC hits the level of the pregen or does the XP and PP count towards the PC level advancement? If it is the former, then there is the possibility of the jumped levels, if it is the latter then it balances save the loss of wealth and access to the items on the chronicle sheet(s) until the PC reaches the target level.
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You can only play a pregen and receive credit if you do not have a character in the level range of the scenario. If it is a Tier 1-5 scenario, there is really no excuse why someone should have played three scenarios and be holding three Tier 1-2 Chronicles that can be applied to a newly created character unless they played three games during day 1 of a convention.
If you have a character that falls in the level range of the scenario, you can't opt to play a pregen and then turn around and give one of your real characters credit.
Right, but the scenario of someone playing a level 4 pregen 3 times and a level 7 pregen 3 times when they have a 1st level character is in the realm of possibility, which would result in the PC effectively skipping from level 3 to level 5 and from level 6 to level 8 once they hit the required levels.
Are the pregen chronicle sheets completely inert until the PC hits the level of the pregen or does the XP and PP count towards the PC level advancement? If it is the former, then there is the possibility of the jumped levels, if it is the latter then it balances save the loss of wealth and access to the items on the chronicle sheet(s) until the PC reaches the target level.
Sure, if they want to jump levels, then so be it. But, I can't understand why a player would want to miss the chance of actually paying his own character in scenarios.
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1970Zombie - From your answer it would seem like she would be able to create a level 2 character (just as if she had GM'd three games and applied credit to a newly created character). But why would they fall behind the wealth curve? They earn the same gold and prestige from the pregens, don't they?
I do not believe that you ever get to hold credit with a 1st level pregen. That only applies to 4th and 7th level pregens.
You could get behind the wealth curve if you continue to play a 4th level pregen multiple times in the 4-5 subtier of a tier 1-5, the 3-4 sub-tier of a tier 3-7, or the 3-4 sub-tier of a tier 1-7. Say for some reason you play 6 scenarios as a 4th level pregen. When your charater actually hits 4th level, you would apply 6 chronicles and immediately become 6th level. It seems likely that you would miss out on some gold that way.
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Sure, if they want to jump levels, then so be it. But, I can't understand why a player would want to miss the chance of actually paying his own character in scenarios.You can only play a pregen and receive credit if you do not have a character in the level range of the scenario. If it is a Tier 1-5 scenario, there is really no excuse why someone should have played three scenarios and be holding three Tier 1-2 Chronicles that can be applied to a newly created character unless they played three games during day 1 of a convention.
If you have a character that falls in the level range of the scenario, you can't opt to play a pregen and then turn around and give one of your real characters credit.
Right, but the scenario of someone playing a level 4 pregen 3 times and a level 7 pregen 3 times when they have a 1st level character is in the realm of possibility, which would result in the PC effectively skipping from level 3 to level 5 and from level 6 to level 8 once they hit the required levels.
Are the pregen chronicle sheets completely inert until the PC hits the level of the pregen or does the XP and PP count towards the PC level advancement? If it is the former, then there is the possibility of the jumped levels, if it is the latter then it balances save the loss of wealth and access to the items on the chronicle sheet(s) until the PC reaches the target level.
Oh I agree completely. I'd rather play a PC of my own construction any time. Just playing a bit of the Devil's Advocate and have a bit of a discussion along these lines going on in the local lodge so I figured I would get clarification.
So for the latter question, is the XP and PP applied immediately for held sheets or is the entirety of the sheets delayed until they hit those levels?
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The sheets are held until the PC hits the first sub-tier of the Chronicle sheet. So, if a 4th level pre-ge was played in a Tier 3-7, and the Chronicle was applied to a 1st level character, the PC would have to wait until he achieved 4th level to apply the Chronicle.
cool beans. Thanks for the clarification Mike. :)
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1970Zombie - From your answer it would seem like she would be able to create a level 2 character (just as if she had GM'd three games and applied credit to a newly created character). But why would they fall behind the wealth curve? They earn the same gold and prestige from the pregens, don't they?
I do not believe that you ever get to hold credit with a 1st level pregen. That only applies to 4th and 7th level pregens.
You could get behind the wealth curve if you continue to play a 4th level pregen multiple times in the 4-5 subtier of a tier 1-5, the 3-4 sub-tier of a tier 3-7, or the 3-4 sub-tier of a tier 1-7. Say for some reason you play 6 scenarios as a 4th level pregen. When your charater actually hits 4th level, you would apply 6 chronicles and immediately become 6th level. It seems likely that you would miss out on some gold that way.
Not a possible scenario, really.
You apply the chronicles one at a time to the PC, and thus you can only apply 3, at most, to the same PC, since once the PC levels to 5th or 8th, after three chronicles, they are no longer a legal target for any other 4th or 7th level chronicles.
Also, playing a 4th level pregen in a sub-tier 4-5 game should be spot-on for the wealth by level curve.
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My father will be playing PFS for the first time at Gencon. He has 2 games, one at 1st level and one at 7th level (in that order). He may not have time to make his own character depending on how long it takes me to make sure he has rules down well and how much time I have to confer with him before the convention. If he ends up playing pregens both times, can they both apply to a new level one if he decides to join the Society in his area once the convention is over? I was under the understanding that minimum credit from the 7th level one could be given to a NEW level one character, and the level 1 pregen could apply to the level one character too? Or no?
It's not much of an issue... just one scenario, but it'd be good to know. Thanks!
Help your father make a level 1 character before you both head to Gencon. Then apply the credit from the level 1 pregen to it. Then save the level 7 pregen chronicle for when that character reaches high enough level to add it. He will still be using a level 1 character at Gencon, but it saves him from making a second character to get immediate use from the credit for both chronicle sheets.
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Help your father make a level 1 character before you both head to Gencon. Then apply the credit from the level 1 pregen to it. Then save the level 7 pregen chronicle for when that character reaches high enough level to add it. He will still be using a level 1 character at Gencon, but it saves him from making a second character to get immediate use from the credit for both chronicle sheets.My father will be playing PFS for the first time at Gencon. He has 2 games, one at 1st level and one at 7th level (in that order). He may not have time to make his own character depending on how long it takes me to make sure he has rules down well and how much time I have to confer with him before the convention. If he ends up playing pregens both times, can they both apply to a new level one if he decides to join the Society in his area once the convention is over? I was under the understanding that minimum credit from the 7th level one could be given to a NEW level one character, and the level 1 pregen could apply to the level one character too? Or no?
It's not much of an issue... just one scenario, but it'd be good to know. Thanks!
Ummm. If he will have already built a new PC, why use the Pregen? Why not see how the PC works in practice?
Besides, as Mike said, if you have a PC in the tier range, you have to play it instead of a pregen...
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Sorta was my point. I don't know if he'll have a PC made before Gencon gets here. If not, but he decides to make one after, I was trying to figure out how the level 1 and level 7 scenarios could be applied. If one had to be applied upon creation, and the other when he gets to level 7, or if both could be applied to a character he makes post-Gen Con (the level 7 has a 1-2 subtier).
Okay, his options, if he plays the 1st level pregen first, then the 7th level pregen:
Use the 1st level credit on a new PC, hold the 7th level credit for when the same PC reaches 7th level.
Use the 1st level credit on a new PC, use the 7th level credit on a second new PC.
See if he can switch it around, play the 7th level game first, which would allow him to use both credits on the same PC.
Also, unless GenCon is different, it is entirely possible that the scenario being organized as a sub-tier 6-7 may be played at a different sub-tier, depending on what characters the people mustering have available.
I know if my choice were between playing sub-tier 6-7 with 3 pregens an playing a lower sub-tier with more "real" PCs, I would prefer the lower sub-tier with more player-invested characters...
Then again, I have PCs available at almost every sub-tier. Just need to get one of my two 4th level PCs up to 5th level, and I will be back to full coverage, again. ;)
1st level - several
2nd - 3 or 4 PCs
4th - 2
9th - 1 (soon going to be waiting for Heresy of Man part 3)
12th - 1 (waiting for a local group to become available for EotT)
Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant
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My father will be playing PFS for the first time at Gencon. He has 2 games, one at 1st level and one at 7th level (in that order)...
If one had to be applied upon creation, and the other when he gets to level 7, or if both could be applied to a character he makes post-Gen Con (the level 7 has a 1-2 subtier).
I'm just curious, is the second game by any chance Race for the Runecarved Key? Because that's the only game I know of being run at Gen Con that would have the ability to play a level 7 and also have a 1-2 subtier.
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You can only play a pregen and receive credit if you do not have a character in the level range of the scenario. If it is a Tier 1-5 scenario, there is really no excuse why someone should have played three scenarios and be holding three Tier 1-2 Chronicles that can be applied to a newly created character unless they played three games during day 1 of a convention.
If you have a character that falls in the level range of the scenario, you can't opt to play a pregen and then turn around and give one of your real characters credit.
Thank you MIchael!
In the case of this player, she has been trying all the pregens to get a feel for what kind of character she'd like to create - she doesn't have a character of her own at the moment. All of her games as far as I know have been played at her FLGS. So from what I read above, it seems as if it may be legal to receive credit for all three 1st level pregens played since she hasn't built a character yet, and start at level two with the character she does create?
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Not a possible scenario, really.
You apply the chronicles one at a time to the PC, and thus you can only apply 3, at most, to the same PC, since once the PC levels to 5th or 8th, after three chronicles, they are no longer a legal target for any other 4th or 7th level chronicles.
Also, playing a 4th level pregen in a sub-tier 4-5 game should be spot-on for the wealth by level curve.
I do not believe that you are correct. You can apply as many sub-optimal chronicles to your character as is available. I do not believe that there is a limit to the amount of chronicles you can earn when playing a pregen. If that were the case, I would expect language that says something like you may hold a chronicle until you reach the level of the pregen up to a maximum of 3 chronicles.
It takes 9 XP to achive 4th level. Assuming normal advancement, if you have a 1st level character with 2 XP, you would have to play 7 scenarios before your character reached 4th level and could apply previously earned chronicles. Say you played a 4th level pregen in 6 tier 3-7 scenarios. Upon reaching 4th level, you would receive 6 XP and advance to 6th level immediately. The sub-tier 3-4 scenarios have significantly less gold by about 600 than sub-tier 4-5. If you played 3 more 3-7 scenarios before hitting 4th level you would hit 7th level and only receive approximately 11,000 GP rather than 13,500 GP if you progressed along the optimal path playing your own character.
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You're basically put into groups (if you don't have a group already) of similar levels. Is he new to Pathfinder as well as PFS, or has he played before. If he's new, I'd really recommend staying low level. I know you'd like to play a higher level character, but jumping from 1st to 7th is a huge step for new players. If he's played quite a bit, he'd have time to look over the character and know what it can/can't do. Anyway, just my thoughts.
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Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant
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I'm fairly certain it isn't tied into last year's special. It's more likely tied into this year's theme, Year of the Risen Rune. That's what the special is really for, to kick off the season, while the Grand Convocation ends it.
An ancient Thassilonian artifact has been unearthed in Magnimar and is to be auctioned off by the city government. In order to maintain good relations with those in power in the City of Monuments, the Pathfinder Society must obtain the relic without simply stealing it, although employing any other means necessary. It falls to the PCs to infiltrate the auction, sabotage the other bidders’ efforts, and call in favors from those in the Society’s debt to ensure the Runecarved Key (and the secrets it unlocks) belongs to the Pathfinders when the adventure draws to a close.
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As Mike said, if you have a PC in the tier range, you have to play it instead of a pregen...
That's not exactly what he said - he said you can't play a pregen and then turn round and apply the credit to a real (pre-existing) character.
That leaves open the possibility of playing a pregen, and then opting to apply the credit to a newly-created character. Sometimes that's your only option - your level-appropriate character may be unavailable for play because they're in the middle of playing a multi-session module. It's unclear whether you can choose to play a pregen (with credit going to a new character) even if you could also play an existing character.