Arcane Strike & Magical Talent


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Simple question... Can you use Magical Talent to meet the pre-requisite of Arcane Strike?

My gut is telling me "no", but only because Arcane Strike's verbiage contains "spells" in the plural.

D2pfsrd wrote:
Prerequisite: Ability to cast arcane spells.

If you never have a CL, then obviously this would never add more than 1 damage.


Spell like abilities are not spells, and are not arcane or divine.


Abraham spalding wrote:
Spell like abilities are not spells, and are not arcane or divine.

Really? O.o I always thought that if a spell from a spell-like ability came from a particular type of spells that it maintained that type... Guess I was wrong!

Thanks for the clarification.


Magical Talent does not allow you to cast arcane spells it allows you to use spell-like ability. There is unfortunate "you may cast that spell..." part but still you get that spell as a spell-like ability and not as an arcane spell.

EDIT: Abraham The Ninja beat me to it from the shadows.


In order to be an arcane or divine spell something has to be a spell -- which spell like abilities are not. Spells have components, spell like abilities do not, spell like abilities are standard actions unless noted otherwise, spells have casting times. Spell like abilities are mental actions (meaning you can take them while paralyzed for example) spells generally are not (though could be).


Abraham spalding wrote:
In order to be an arcane or divine spell something has to be a spell -- which spell like abilities are not. Spells have components, spell like abilities do not, spell like abilities are standard actions unless noted otherwise, spells have casting times. Spell like abilities are mental actions (meaning you can take them while paralyzed for example) spells generally are not (though could be).

I didn't know you can use Spell-like abilities while paralyzed... Is there text I can use to support that if I want to do this?


AerynTahlro wrote:
I didn't know you can use Spell-like abilities while paralyzed... Is there text I can use to support that if I want to do this?

Spell-Like Abilities: Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally.

Paralyzed: A paralyzed character is frozen in place and unable to move or act. A paralyzed character has effective Dexterity and Strength scores of 0 and is helpless, but can take purely mental actions.

Paralysis A paralyzed character cannot move, speak, or take any physical action. He is rooted to the spot, frozen and helpless. Not even friends can move his limbs. He may take purely mental actions, such as casting a spell with no components.


Grick wrote:


Spell-Like Abilities: Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally.

Paralyzed: A paralyzed character is frozen in place and unable to move or act. A paralyzed character has effective Dexterity and Strength scores of 0 and is helpless, but can take purely mental actions.

Paralysis A paralyzed character cannot move, speak, or take any physical action. He is rooted to the spot, frozen and helpless. Not even friends can move his limbs. He may take purely mental actions, such as casting a spell with no components.

Perfect, thank you!

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