Heard about this over the weekend, for you Browncoats out there. ;)
Worst case scenario? You spend a couple hours watching Firefly. I call that a win!
Go to this call to arms.
Come Thursday evening, I'll be in my bunk...
<---- owns it on DvD :/
<---- owns it on DvD :/
I do, too. I will maybe still invest some time in this. I think the point is to have the traffic monitors at Netflix light up with as many requests for the show as possible in a short amount of time - thereby running its streaming and demand rating up - in short, socially engineering the results to make the people at Netflix (and, potentially, the studios) go "Well, gorram. Look at all those numbers."
Of course, the fact that the DVD's and Blu-Rays continue to fly off the shelves could also be doing that... and that hasn't changed the studio's minds about re-upping the series... but hey, it doesn't cost anything (other than the subscription fee and some time), so why not?
This is a dark day.
Not even you, Freehold DM, can stop the signal.
Well, don't have Netflicks and own it on dvd already. MIGHT have considered signing up if I didn't have 3 bills to pay and my anniversary this weekend.
Well, don't have Netflicks and own it on dvd already. MIGHT have considered signing up if I didn't have 3 bills to pay and my anniversary this weekend.
I believe (been a while since I signed up) that they have a "Trial Period" at Netflix. You might be able to sign up for the 7, 15, 30 day period, watch one night, then cancel.
Heck, that might show them something as well. :)
Oh, and just so's I'm clear: I doubt this will *actually* do anything to "bring the show back", and even if it did, I doubt the whole cast could or would come back to the show. To me, not the point. I just like the idea, and any excuse to watch Firefly is a Good Thing<tm>!
They would so deserve a return, despite what the guy with the sex toy avatar thinks.
Come on, they got Futurama back up, and that wasn't even that good towards the end.
They would so deserve a return, despite what the guy with the sex toy avatar thinks.
Come on, they got Futurama back up, and that wasn't even that good towards the end.
That's it.
The surviving 7 could carry on. What happens after the signal gets out is anybody's guess.
They would so deserve a return, despite what the guy with the sex toy avatar thinks.
Come on, they got Futurama back up, and that wasn't even that good towards the end.
That's it.
I may be insane, but I'm no stabbot, so that doesn't scare me.
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Come on, they got Futurama back up, and that wasn't even that good towards the end.
A) Futurama had like 4 seasons before getting cancelled, compared to Firefly's not even one full season.
B) Futurama got brought back like 5 years after it got canned. Firely has been gone nearly a decade now.
C) Both franchises have had movies that came out since they got cancelled, but I would bet that Futurama's revenue from its movies has made Fox just as much as Serenity did for Firefly.
Im not bashing on the Firefly, cause it's awesome. But there is a point after which people just need to let go and realize the show wont be brought back. For Firefly, I think that point has passed, sadly.
The surviving 7 could carry on. What happens after the signal gets out is anybody's guess.
"You can't stop the signal Mal..."
Come on, they got Futurama back up, and that wasn't even that good towards the end.A) Futurama had like 4 seasons before getting cancelled, compared to Firefly's not even one full season.
B) Futurama got brought back like 5 years after it got canned. Firely has been gone nearly a decade now.
C) Both franchises have had movies that came out since they got cancelled, but I would bet that Futurama's revenue from its movies has made Fox just as much as Serenity did for Firefly.
Im not bashing on the Firefly, cause it's awesome. But there is a point after which people just need to let go and realize the show wont be brought back. For Firefly, I think that point has passed, sadly.
I don't think it will come back, either (sadly). I just wanted to annoy the guy with the sex toy avatar because he's a hater.
I don't think it will come back, either (sadly). I just wanted to annoy the guy with the sex toy avatar because he's a hater.Come on, they got Futurama back up, and that wasn't even that good towards the end.A) Futurama had like 4 seasons before getting cancelled, compared to Firefly's not even one full season.
B) Futurama got brought back like 5 years after it got canned. Firely has been gone nearly a decade now.
C) Both franchises have had movies that came out since they got cancelled, but I would bet that Futurama's revenue from its movies has made Fox just as much as Serenity did for Firefly.
Im not bashing on the Firefly, cause it's awesome. But there is a point after which people just need to let go and realize the show wont be brought back. For Firefly, I think that point has passed, sadly.
You mean someone here has a dildo as an avatar? This I gotta see!
You mean someone here has a dildo as an avatar? This I gotta see!
I don't think it will come back, either (sadly). I just wanted to annoy the guy with the sex toy avatar because he's a hater.
Nah, but some freak uses the picture of a naked plastic doll.
Come on, they got Futurama back up, and that wasn't even that good towards the end.A) Futurama had like 4 seasons before getting cancelled, compared to Firefly's not even one full season.
B) Futurama got brought back like 5 years after it got canned. Firely has been gone nearly a decade now.
C) Both franchises have had movies that came out since they got cancelled, but I would bet that Futurama's revenue from its movies has made Fox just as much as Serenity did for Firefly.
Im not bashing on the Firefly, cause it's awesome. But there is a point after which people just need to let go and realize the show wont be brought back. For Firefly, I think that point has passed, sadly.
I really hope that Futurama made more money than -$14 million. Serenity lost huge stacks of money. Probably because most fans just downloaded it off torrent sites a week after release. Geek culture is self defeating sometimes.
edit - I forgot to add the foreign market to that total. Of course this also ignored the advertising budget of the movie too (usually stated to be +25 of the cost of the movie added onto the budget after the fact). So total cost = $47 million total revenue $38 million.
Yeah I can see why Firefly ain't exactly high on anyone 'to remake' list.
Come on, they got Futurama back up, and that wasn't even that good towards the end.A) Futurama had like 4 seasons before getting cancelled, compared to Firefly's not even one full season.
B) Futurama got brought back like 5 years after it got canned. Firely has been gone nearly a decade now.
C) Both franchises have had movies that came out since they got cancelled, but I would bet that Futurama's revenue from its movies has made Fox just as much as Serenity did for Firefly.
Im not bashing on the Firefly, cause it's awesome. But there is a point after which people just need to let go and realize the show wont be brought back. For Firefly, I think that point has passed, sadly.
I really hope that Futurama made more money than -$14 million. Serenity lost huge stacks of money. Probably because most fans just downloaded it off torrent sites a week after release. Geek culture is self defeating sometimes.
edit - I forgot to add the foreign market to that total. Of course this also ignored the advertising budget of the movie too (usually stated to be +25 of the cost of the movie added onto the budget after the fact). So total cost = $47 million total revenue $38 million.
Yeah I can see why Firefly ain't exactly high on anyone 'to remake' list.
Hmm....
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I really hope that Futurama made more money than -$14 million. Serenity lost huge stacks of money. Probably because most fans just downloaded it off torrent sites a week after release. Geek culture is self defeating sometimes.edit - I forgot to add the foreign market to that total. Of course this also ignored the advertising budget of the movie too (usually stated to be +25 of the cost of the movie added onto the budget after the fact). So total cost = $47 million total revenue $38 million.
Yeah I can see why Firefly ain't exactly high on anyone 'to remake' list.
Sheesh. I knew Serenity didnt do well, but I didnt know it had done THAT badly, lol. At first I was gonna put "Im sure Futurama's movies did more", but didnt want someone to come along with rotflstomp me with stats. Kinda like you did there, cept you were agreeing with me, lol.
According to wiki, it didn't make a profit until released on DVD.
The thing is, many people (including myself, I stumbled upon it on Hulu, and got instantly addicted) didn't discover Firefly until it was long gone.
I understand that it would be nigh-impossible to bring it back at this point, but I think it would be successful if JW got most of the original cast back and ran with it. I'm not a huge fan of his other shows, but he does write excellent dialogue and characters.
Firefly has more fans now than it did in 2002, that's for sure. Its fame spread by word-of-mouth.
Life is so unfair! First, I lose Santa, then the Easter bunny, then I fall in love with a show that I didn't know about until 6 years after it died. WAAAAAAAAA!
I HATE YOU, Fox! HATEHATEHATE! BOO HOO! *curls up in fetal position, wimpering*
According to wiki, it didn't make a profit until released on DVD.
The thing is, many people (including myself, I stumbled upon it on Hulu, and got instantly addicted) didn't discover Firefly until it was long gone.
I understand that it would be nigh-impossible to bring it back at this point, but I think it would be successful if JW got most of the original cast back and ran with it. I'm not a huge fan of his other shows, but he does write excellent dialogue and characters.
Firefly has more fans now than it did in 2002, that's for sure. Its fame spread by word-of-mouth.
Life is so unfair! First, I lose Santa, then the Easter bunny, then I fall in love with a show that I didn't know about until 6 years after it died. WAAAAAAAAA!
I HATE YOU, Fox! HATEHATEHATE! BOO HOO! *curls up in fetal position, wimpering*
I also didn't discover it until it was gone. Well, not really anyways. I remember seeing previews for it, and cursing Fox for airing it Fridays at 7 because that meant I wouldn't be able to watch it until the spring season, due to marching band...then it got cancelled, and I quickly forgot about it. Then when Serenity came out, I decided to get the show on DVD to watch first, and by the time I was done with that, Serenity was no longer in theaters.
I'm beginning to think that I'm cursed. Any show I like in recent years, gets canceled. First was Firefly (even though I didn't get to see it until it was off the air), then came The Black Donnelly's, next was The Dresden Files, then Heroes, and most recently The Cape. The 4400 was in there somewhere too, but I discovered it after it was cancelled as well.
From what I heard, they were almost criminally mismanaging that series, shifting it around, giving it really bad slots, too, and so on.
I also heard about it after it was gone, too. I'm not even sure it ever ran here.
From what I heard, they were almost criminally mismanaging that series, shifting it around, giving it really bad slots, too, and so on.
I also heard about it after it was gone, too. I'm not even sure it ever ran here.
Kae's right.
FOX kept shifting the timeslot for Firefly (I once found it running in the 1am slot, an hour before Starhunter came on over on the UHF station that was running it here in the States), kept pre-empting it for other shows, and when they DID show it, showed it out of production order - so that there was no coherence to the story... which, if you've watched it as it was meant to be seen, it's quite coherent.
Additionally, I have it on pretty good authority that the FOX talking heads were seriously expecting that the show would launch with Buffy: The Vampire Slayer season 7 numbers. They literally wanted as many people watching the first episode of Firefly as there were watching the very last episode of B:TVS. This was obviously a cardinal mistake, because anyone who knows how Whedon does things knows that he starts off and builds up slowly, and that NONE of his shows start off with fantastic numbers (well, okay, Dr. Horrible notwithstanding). It's this "Look at the amazing numbers the end of Buffy got! We can capitalize on that at the launch of the show!" that killed off Firefly, that killed off Dollhouse, and will kill off a bunch of his other projects until the Networks get the hint that a Whedon show is an investment in time and patience.
But then, I never attribute foresight and long-range planning to television executives.
From what I heard, they were almost criminally mismanaging that series, shifting it around, giving it really bad slots, too, and so on.
I also heard about it after it was gone, too. I'm not even sure it ever ran here.
Kae's right.
FOX kept shifting the timeslot for Firefly (I once found it running in the 1am slot, an hour before Starhunter came on over on the UHF station that was running it here in the States), kept pre-empting it for other shows, and when they DID show it, showed it out of production order - so that there was no coherence to the story... which, if you've watched it as it was meant to be seen, it's quite coherent.
Additionally, I have it on pretty good authority that the FOX talking heads were seriously expecting that the show would launch with Buffy: The Vampire Slayer season 7 numbers. They literally wanted as many people watching the first episode of Firefly as there were watching the very last episode of B:TVS. This was obviously a cardinal mistake, because anyone who knows how Whedon does things knows that he starts off and builds up slowly, and that NONE of his shows start off with fantastic numbers (well, okay, Dr. Horrible notwithstanding). It's this "Look at the amazing numbers the end of Buffy got! We can capitalize on that at the launch of the show!" that killed off Firefly, that killed off Dollhouse, and will kill off a bunch of his other projects until the Networks get the hint that a Whedon show is an investment in time and patience.
But then, I never attribute foresight and long-range planning to television executives.
Sometimes, just sometimes, I love Television Executives.
Sometimes, just sometimes, I love Television Executives.
Freehold, I love you man, but now you're just being mean. :P
Freehold, I love you man, but now you're just being mean. :PSometimes, just sometimes, I love Television Executives.
Forgive me. I'm cranky because I haven't eaten. My lunch break is over and the line at the dunkin' donuts was around the block so I couldn't use my coupon to get a cheap tuna salad sandwich and some tater tots. Sorry about that.
Forgive me. I'm cranky because I haven't eaten. My lunch break is over and the line at the dunkin' donuts was around the block so I couldn't use my coupon to get a cheap tuna salad sandwich and some tater tots. Sorry about that.Freehold, I love you man, but now you're just being mean. :PSometimes, just sometimes, I love Television Executives.
Of course. Man, I miss me some Dunkin'. There aren't any within several hundred miles of me. I feel your pain.
From what I heard, they were almost criminally mismanaging that series, shifting it around, giving it really bad slots, too, and so on.
I also heard about it after it was gone, too. I'm not even sure it ever ran here.
Keep in mind too an episode of Firefly was pretty costly considering the ratings it was getting. Something on the order of 1-2 million per ep is what I have read.
There was mismanagement enough for all sides in Firefly's demise.
From what I heard, they were almost criminally mismanaging that series, shifting it around, giving it really bad slots, too, and so on.
I also heard about it after it was gone, too. I'm not even sure it ever ran here.
Keep in mind too an episode of Firefly was pretty costly considering the ratings it was getting. Something on the order of 1-2 million per ep is what I have read.
There was mismanagement enough for all sides in Firefly's demise.
When you're doing your best to bring a rather image heavy anime to life, it's going to get pricey.
When you're doing your best to bring a rather image heavy anime to life, it's going to get pricey.
Anime? Was Firefly based on some kind of anime? Never heard that before.
When you're doing your best to bring a rather image heavy anime to life, it's going to get pricey.Anime? Was Firefly based on some kind of anime? Never heard that before.
While similar to certain tropes present in some animes and comic books, Firefly wasn't, to the best of my knowledge (and brother, it's a lot of knowledge) based on any current or former Anime.
If I'm wrong, I'd love to know which one, though.
When you're doing your best to bring a rather image heavy anime to life, it's going to get pricey.Anime? Was Firefly based on some kind of anime? Never heard that before.
Ignore the Hater. He's just leading up to a sales-pitch of a highly carcinogenic energy drink.
Ignore the Hater. He's just leading up to a sales-pitch of a highly carcinogenic energy drink.When you're doing your best to bring a rather image heavy anime to life, it's going to get pricey.Anime? Was Firefly based on some kind of anime? Never heard that before.
Now that is patently untrue. Haterade(tm) is free of all known carcinogens and toxins. It's all natural.
Also, regarding my earlier accusation, check out Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop.
Ignore the Hater. He's just leading up to a sales-pitch of a highly carcinogenic energy drink.When you're doing your best to bring a rather image heavy anime to life, it's going to get pricey.Anime? Was Firefly based on some kind of anime? Never heard that before.Now that is patently untrue. Haterade(tm) is free of all known carcinogens and toxins. It's all natural.
Also, regarding my earlier accusation, check out Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop.
Yes, Firefly is pretty much a live-action mash-up of the two...which is why it's awesome! Those are the only two anime that I really got into.
Yes, Firefly is pretty much a live-action mash-up of the two...which is why it's awesome! Those are the only two anime that I really got into.
Also, regarding my earlier accusation, check out Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop.
Ennnnnnh... There's a gross lack of magic (Outlaw Star), post-modern trappings (Bebop), over-the-top wacky antics (Star), personal space transportation (Bebop), and many other hallmarks of the two series.
If anything, I'd call Firefly a combination of Gunsmoke, Star Wars, and Kung Fu. There are distinct elements of all three productions, moreso than one might find of Bebop and Star.
But I'd rather go watch it than argue its roots. ;)
I think this argument on firefly has been done to death. It is similar, because there is nothing new under the sun. It is however not the same as any anime and trying to say so, well does an injustice to both Firefly and said animes.
I fear we will have to disagree here.
I missed this...I blame freehold.
Who? Me?
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Firefly will rise again! Mark my words, oh ye of little faith!
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Well one would think that if the Avengers film scores as big as everyone involved hopes that any Joss projects that had any legs at all would definitely be given a push. So Fox may take notice to fans voices after the first few weeks of that releasse, especially if Nathan Fillion keeps trying to buy the rights and that movement gets more attention. Here's hoping.
From what I heard, they were almost criminally mismanaging that series, shifting it around, giving it really bad slots, too, and so on.
I also heard about it after it was gone, too. I'm not even sure it ever ran here.
Kae's right.
FOX kept shifting the timeslot for Firefly (I once found it running in the 1am slot, an hour before Starhunter came on over on the UHF station that was running it here in the States), kept pre-empting it for other shows, and when they DID show it, showed it out of production order - so that there was no coherence to the story... which, if you've watched it as it was meant to be seen, it's quite coherent.
Additionally, I have it on pretty good authority that the FOX talking heads were seriously expecting that the show would launch with Buffy: The Vampire Slayer season 7 numbers. They literally wanted as many people watching the first episode of Firefly as there were watching the very last episode of B:TVS. This was obviously a cardinal mistake, because anyone who knows how Whedon does things knows that he starts off and builds up slowly, and that NONE of his shows start off with fantastic numbers (well, okay, Dr. Horrible notwithstanding). It's this "Look at the amazing numbers the end of Buffy got! We can capitalize on that at the launch of the show!" that killed off Firefly, that killed off Dollhouse, and will kill off a bunch of his other projects until the Networks get the hint that a Whedon show is an investment in time and patience.
But then, I never attribute foresight and long-range planning to television executives.
Buffy had better ratings in the 2nd and 3rd seasons on average than in the series finale and was average nearly that on the other seasons. Moreover, Buffy's first season averages better ratings than the last - and that's with the series finale bump.
It's not the Whedon's shows "get better" as a rule - the ONLY show he has had that lasted more than a handful of episodes is Buffy and spinoffs. It's that FOX execs were screwing everyone right and left by moving timeslots without warning and preempting everything for extended sports coverage. And never mind the "moving episode order around." Firefly wasn't the only show Fox downed. Family Guy got offed for the exact same reason. Then there are another dozen shows - watch the Family Guy 2nd or 3rd season premier for a list.
And if you want to watch Firefly, it airs regularly on the Science channel, of all places.
And if you want to watch Firefly, it airs regularly on the Science channel, of all places.
Yes it does. And annoyingly, when an episode they haven't shown on the channel yet is going to air, it shows up as a "new" episode on the guide. I was channel surfing a few weeks ago, stumbled across Firefly on Science channel, and it had the little "new" icon in the corner of the screen. Almost gave me a heart attack. Then I read the episode description, and was pretty ticked off.
Firefly is the greatest show in the history of television. This is an irrefutable fact, so don't try to refute it!
I said DON'T!
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Firefly is the greatest show in the history of television. This is an irrefutable fact, so don't try to refute it!
I said DON'T!
No, that would be The Middleman.
(Actually, it's The Prisoner, but The Middleman is also awesome)
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Firefly wasn't the only show Fox downed. Family Guy got offed for the exact same reason. Then there are another dozen shows - watch the Family Guy 2nd or 3rd season premier for a list.
Fourth season.
Peter: Everybody—I've got bad news: we've been cancelled.
Lois: Oh, no! Peter, how could they do that?!
Peter: Unfortunately, there's just no more room on the schedule. We've just got to accept the fact that Fox has to make room for terrific shows like Dark Angel; Titus; Undeclared; Action; That '80s Show; Wonderfalls; Fastlane; Andy Richter Controls the Universe; Skin; Girls' Club; Cracking Up; The Pitts; Firefly; Get Real; Freakylinks; Wanda at Large; Costello; The Lone Gunmen; A Minute with Stan Hooper; Normal, Ohio; Pasadena; Harsh Realm; Keen Eddie; The Street; American Embassy; Cedric the Entertainer; The Tick; Luis; and Greg the Bunny. (On saying "Greg the Bunny," Peter looks at his son, Chris, who's voiced by Seth Green of Greg the Bunny.)
Lois: Is there no hope?
Peter: Well, I suppose if ALL those shows go down the tubes we might have a shot.
Firefly wasn't the only show Fox downed. Family Guy got offed for the exact same reason. Then there are another dozen shows - watch the Family Guy 2nd or 3rd season premier for a list.Fourth season.
(snipped hilarious Family Guy quote)
Thanks for the good LOL to start off my day. =]
This is entirely anecdotal, but one reason I never had any interest in Firefly when it first aired was that, from what I remember of the promotional spots, it seemed to be billed by the network as more western than action/sci-fi - and western is a genre that I just cannot stand.
That was a major negative in my book, and only until years later when I watched the show without knowing what it was did I realize what I had missed.