Thorn bows. What's the deal?


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Sovereign Court

Empty post? More clarity needed...


Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting pag 210 wrote:

Thorn Bow: This polished rosewood bow is studded with thorns and tiny rose flowers. You need at least two hands to use a thorn bow, regardless of its size. You can use a thorn bow while mounted. Penalties for low Strength apply on damage rolls made with a thorn bow. Thorn bows cannot be made into composite thorn bows.

Exotic ranged weapon 1d6/x3, 40 ft. 50g

So... you're getting a shortbow that costs 2/3 more, have 2/3 the distance inc., cannot be made composite, and IS EXOTIC, for... let me see... ah, they have thorns and tiny rose flowers on it. Now, that's a deal!

Serious, there's ever any advantage? I mean, for some character concepts having a living flowering bow is super cool. But it's all fluff. If my player said that his female elven ranger has a composite longbow with thorns and flowers, I'll just say "Cool, that will be a cute launcher for your thistle arrows. Let's play!". Isn't there any hidden advantage?

Liberty's Edge

freduncio wrote:


Blah blah blah

Or... hmmm let me look into this.

Edit: Upon further review it appears to be an item conceived to serve an RP purpose, much like the parade armor except without any circumstantial modifiers.

Sovereign Court

You can use it while riding on horseback ;)


@Themetricsystem
The parade armor doesn't requires a feat to use it. Again, the RP purpose do not pay for the feat tax. And it's actually worse than the shortbow...

@Alexander Kilcoyne
(Oh, you posted before me. Sneaky guy.) You can also use a shortbow while monted, only longbows cannot be used in this way.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

The thorn bow was originally created in an early module in our line, and was a weapon that actually shot plant thorns, not arrows. That's "exotic" and so it got classified as an exotic weapon. Alas, that flavor got stripped out in the Campaign Setting and all that remained was its raw game rules, which resulted in an exotic weapon bow that was inferior in pretty much every way to a martial short bow. Heck, even when the flavor IS in there, it's still inferior.

There's no hidden advantage. And that's why in the revised Campaign Setting coming out soon the thorn bow is simply going away. In the mean time, consider it errata that the thorn bow should just be a martial weapon identical in all ways to a short bow, only with a different, "regional" name.


James Jacobs wrote:
In the mean time, consider it errata that the thorn bow should just be a martial weapon identical in all ways to a short bow, only with a different, "regional" name.

That's what it says in the Adventurer's Armory, I believe.

Liberty's Edge

James Jacobs wrote:

The thorn bow was originally created in an early module in our line, and was a weapon that actually shot plant thorns, not arrows. That's "exotic" and so it got classified as an exotic weapon. Alas, that flavor got stripped out in the Campaign Setting and all that remained was its raw game rules, which resulted in an exotic weapon bow that was inferior in pretty much every way to a martial short bow. Heck, even when the flavor IS in there, it's still inferior.

There's no hidden advantage. And that's why in the revised Campaign Setting coming out soon the thorn bow is simply going away. In the mean time, consider it errata that the thorn bow should just be a martial weapon identical in all ways to a short bow, only with a different, "regional" name.

On the note of the new revised Campaign setting. When this comes out will those people who purchased the current pdf be credited a revised copy? Is this feasible?

Sovereign Court

Themetricsystem wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

The thorn bow was originally created in an early module in our line, and was a weapon that actually shot plant thorns, not arrows. That's "exotic" and so it got classified as an exotic weapon. Alas, that flavor got stripped out in the Campaign Setting and all that remained was its raw game rules, which resulted in an exotic weapon bow that was inferior in pretty much every way to a martial short bow. Heck, even when the flavor IS in there, it's still inferior.

There's no hidden advantage. And that's why in the revised Campaign Setting coming out soon the thorn bow is simply going away. In the mean time, consider it errata that the thorn bow should just be a martial weapon identical in all ways to a short bow, only with a different, "regional" name.

On the note of the new revised Campaign setting. When this comes out will those people who purchased the current pdf be credited a revised copy? Is this feasible?

I believe this question has been posed before, with the response that as the book includes over 200 new pages of content, it's not a revised copy and will thus be sold as a seperate product (correct me if i'm wrong please, this is what's been said IIRC).


Cool, I'm waiting for it. Anyway, thanks for the answer James.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

The revised book is going to be 320 pages long with a lot of new content (200 isn't quite accurate, but we are removing some old and no longer really necessary elements to make room for even more than 64 pages of new stuff), and it'll be laid out entirely differently. In many ways, it'll be as different a book from the current hardcover as the current hardcover is from the 64 page Gazetteer.

The PDF for the revised book will be $10.00, I believe (I could be wrong there...), so it'll be cheap to pick up for everyone.

Sczarni

James Jacobs wrote:


The PDF for the revised book will be $10.00, I believe (I could be wrong there...), so it'll be cheap to pick up for everyone.

That's what Vic stated twice

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