Which is the Definitive "spell-like abilities"


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Scarab Sages

the definition text for "Spell-like abilities" is fragmenting as more text is added.

There are 3 entries in the core PFRPG book, in thr "significant term", under combat actions, and in the glossary;
and no the PF Bestiary adds another definition.

The PF RPG core states

PFRPG wrote:
Spell-like abilities can be dispelled and counterspelled as normal.

The bestiary states

PFBestiary wrote:
Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.

...so which is right?

I had hoped it;d be as simple as "the Bestiary came 2nd, Paizo corrected something, and updated the PRD as well as the OGL Bestiary", but they haven't...


From the Pathfinder Reference Document:

Spell-Like Abilities (Sp): Spell-like abilities, as the name implies, are magical abilities that are very much like spells. Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated (such as an antimagic field). Spell-like abilities can be dispelled and counterspelled as normal.


Also from the PRD:

PRD wrote:

Spell-Like Abilities (Sp) Spell-like abilities are magical and work just like spells (though they are not spells and so have no verbal, somatic, focus, or material components). They go away in an antimagic field and are subject to spell resistance if the spell the ability is based on would be subject to spell resistance.

A spell-like ability usually has a limit on how often it can be used. A constant spell-like ability or one that can be used at will has no use limit. Reactivating a constant spell-like ability is a swift action. Using all other spell-like abilities is a standard action unless noted otherwise, and doing so provokes attacks of opportunity. It is possible to make a concentration check to use a spell-like ability defensively and avoid provoking an attack of opportunity, just as when casting a spell. A spell-like ability can be disrupted just as a spell can be. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.

For creatures with spell-like abilities, a designated caster level defines how difficult it is to dispel their spell-like effects and to define any level-dependent variables (such as range and duration) the abilities might have. The creature's caster level never affects which spell-like abilities the creature has; sometimes the given caster level is lower than the level a spellcasting character would need to cast the spell of the same name. If no caster level is specified, the caster level is equal to the creature's Hit Dice. The saving throw (if any) against a spell-like ability is 10 + the level of the spell the ability resembles or duplicates + the creature's Charisma modifier.

Some spell-like abilities duplicate spells that work differently when cast by characters of different classes. A monster's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order.

Format: At will—burning hands (DC 13); Location: Spell-Like Abilities.


Spell-like abilities than mimic a spell (such as fireball) can be counterspelled by the same spell or dispel magic.

Unique spell-like abilities can be countered by the dispel magic spell and should list an equvalent spell level for that purpose (see the summon ability on P304 of the Bestiary as an example).

Edit: After checking the 3.5 SRD, I would say that spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell nor can they be counterspelled. That was how they operated in 3.5, though they were still subject to dispel magic.


So the PRD itself says that they can both be counterspelled and not counterspelled?

Errta is needed, I think?

-S

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Selgard wrote:
So the PRD itself says that they can both be counterspelled and not counterspelled?

Yea, that is the only conflict.

They can't be used to Counterspell but they can be Dispelled.

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James Risner wrote:
Selgard wrote:
So the PRD itself says that they can both be counterspelled and not counterspelled?

Yea, that is the only conflict.

They can't be used to Counterspell but they can be Dispelled.

Unless they have dispel magic as a spell like ability? can they use it because it specifically functions that way or would this be out as well?

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Christopher Van Horn wrote:
Unless they have dispel magic as a spell like ability? can they use it because it specifically functions that way or would this be out as well?

SLAing Dispel Magic is entirely different from using a Fireball SLA to dispel a Fireball spell.

So yes, you can use SLA Dispel Magic to Counterspell by the intent of the rules.

Your DM might disagree, so YMMV.

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